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unregistered5595 07/13/13 12:41 PM

You are too hot--you are fired
 
http://www.today.com/money/iowa-cour...hot-6c10619426
In the original case, Melissa Nelson was fired because her dentist manager/boss felt he might like to have an affair with her, so he went to his pastor with his wife and his wife thought he should fire her, to avoid him having a possible affair with his employee. He fired her.
That would save his marriage and hers too.

This was re-examined and affirmed that this was not discrimination based on her sex or her having sex, or any sexual misconduct on her part. It was because he might want to have an affair with her in the future and he wanted to avoid that, or his wife wanted to avoid that.

So in the future, should a woman apply for a job, should she ask the questions, are you heterosexual, do you feel I'm attractive? or might you find me attractive in the future?
And should she be managing men, and find any attractive, should she join a church, talk with the pastor and husband, and fire the man on her husband's request, to save herself from having an affair and ruining the two marriages?

It's outrageous.

edcopp 07/13/13 12:54 PM

We need to see pictures of the hottie.:coffee:

Wolf mom 07/13/13 01:12 PM

Interesting - I heard it was the wife that thought the husband might have an affair because she was so attractive. btw: the wife also worked in the office.

After working there for 10 years and being the best dental assistant the dentist had ever hired, I'd look more closely at the marriage and any insecurities the wife may have rather than fire his assistant.

If, indeed, it was the husband that thought he might have an affair - I'd still look at the marriage first.

I guess nobody ever heard of self-control. I also think it was really short-sighted, poor advice from the pastor.

unregistered5595 07/13/13 01:27 PM

You can look at the law and look at the insecurities in the marriage, but ultimately, this in now law.
Ugly women unite! Ugly men unite! Being hot is a detriment to your career.

watcher 07/13/13 02:27 PM

Sorry but its his business and she's his employee. He should have the right to fire her for any reason or no reason at all unless there is a written contract spelling out reasons for 'separation'.

Harry Chickpea 07/13/13 02:36 PM

Yep. Right-to-work laws are VERY explicit that an employer can hire or fire for whatever reason, as long as the reason doesn't violate Federal anti-discrimination and/or ADA laws. I once was terminated with the stated reason that I was held up at gunpoint. Contacted an attorney and he told me to suck it up and move on. (Later found out the guy who terminated me was skimming and I was too honest for him to be comfortable with me around.)

FeralFemale 07/13/13 02:44 PM

She wasn't miss innocent in this. She had been exchanging flirtations with him for some time. After the wife found some flirty texts, she, her husband, and their pastor had a sit down where hubby was advised to fire the woman to save his marriage.

If miss hottie wanted to keep her job, she shouldn't have tried to steal herself someone else's man.

Wolfy-hound 07/13/13 02:48 PM

If she really HAD been sending inappropriate texts, the reason for firing would have been "inappropriate conduct" or "unprofessional dealings". Not a "she was hot and I might have wanted to violate my vows so I punished HER rather than freaking deal with my own issues".

Of COURSE it's always the woman's fault and it's obviously okay to punish the woman and make it her fault rather than the fact that some guy might have to keep his stuff in his pants.

Up next, why beating a wife is okay because the husband cheated and it's her fault for not making him happy enough to not stray.

unregistered5595 07/13/13 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FeralFemale (Post 6661241)
She wasn't miss innocent in this. She had been exchanging flirtations with him for some time. After the wife found some flirty texts, she, her husband, and their pastor had a sit down where hubby was advised to fire the woman to save his marriage.

If miss hottie wanted to keep her job, she shouldn't have tried to steal herself someone else's man.

So what did she say? NOTHING! He was the one with racy comments. He shouldn't have been asking her about her sex life.

The ruling came from an all male court. Of course.

unregistered353870 07/13/13 04:07 PM

As a fellow beautiful person, I feel her pain. But I'm sure she didn't have any trouble finding a new job...plenty of people like having affair-worthy employees.

davel745 07/13/13 04:17 PM

I am so hot. Oh I forgot to turn on the AC.

unregistered5595 07/13/13 04:23 PM

What I find even more annoying than men claiming women as objects or sexual objects and making decisions based on their feelings of attractiveness to women, are the women that buy into that same irresponsible view.
Women now have careers, skills, education, business responsibilities, and responsibilities toward their families yet, they are only objects to be manipulated by men.
Feral Female--what did she do to try to get another woman's man?

unregistered5595 07/13/13 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by davel745 (Post 6661322)
I am so hot. Oh I forgot to turn on the AC.

Yes, and that is why YOU ARE FIRED! Good day. :)

Ardie/WI 07/13/13 04:39 PM

I think it is possibly the stupidest waste of time I've seen in a long time!

That poor spineless little man (and probably under endowed too), didn't know how to keep a business like atmosphere in his office and mind!

If I were his wife, I'd spank him! :teehee:

unregistered5595 07/13/13 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ardie/WI (Post 6661347)
I think it is possibly the stupidest waste of time I've seen in a long time!

That poor spineless little man (and probably under endowed too), didn't know how to keep a business like atmosphere in his office and mind!

If I were his wife, I'd spank him! :teehee:

It's probably the most Christian thing to do. ;)

unregistered353870 07/13/13 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by edcopp (Post 6661155)
We need to see pictures of the hottie.:coffee:

Not that hot, but here you go:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/925d1b651...ftodo1_500.jpg

Better pic, maybe younger...nice teeth....
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...-pixelated.jpg

unregistered5595 07/13/13 05:00 PM

Oh my gosh, there is this funtastic man on staff, he's gorgeous, nice teeth, turns me on, but it might ruin my marriage, I must fire him. He's totally wrecking my concentration, yum yum. He's fired now.

Tiempo 07/13/13 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FeralFemale (Post 6661241)
She wasn't miss innocent in this. She had been exchanging flirtations with him for some time. After the wife found some flirty texts, she, her husband, and their pastor had a sit down where hubby was advised to fire the woman to save his marriage.

If miss hottie wanted to keep her job, she shouldn't have tried to steal herself someone else's man.

Do you have a link?

unregistered353870 07/13/13 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Feather In The Breeze (Post 6661374)
Oh my gosh, there is this funtastic man on staff, he's gorgeous, nice teeth, turns me on, but it might ruin my marriage, I must fire him. He's totally wrecking my concentration, yum yum. He's fired now.

Do you own the business?

mrsgcpete 07/13/13 06:54 PM

She worked there for 10 years...they were flirting and got caught.

edcopp 07/13/13 09:13 PM

If one gets fired, they should both get fired. Send the wife down to McDonalds for her employment. Give her a good reference.

Hire new help, most likely cheaper. Now on with the show.:coffee:

kasilofhome 07/14/13 02:32 AM

My son heard this on the news and his first comment was if it were me ---I proudly put it on my resume---simply irresistable.

The employer dismiss and employee no reason needed--Life is hard and unfair--

I know that my brother worked in a place were personal interaction was grounds for termination. Look sexual herassment charges and suit created this siduation.

He was interested in someone and when He could he turned in his two week notice to his boss. He did state his reason--he was interested in someone period. At the end of the two weeks he went in saw the boss, got his check and was asked who. My sister inlaw tells the story that he left her office knock on her door and ask her out to go bowling.

unregistered5595 07/14/13 07:15 AM

Owning a business doesn't give someone carte blanche on breaking the rules, laws, or on morals.

She "received" some inappropriate comments from her boss, she did not respond to it, so I don't think that could be considered flirting.

http://abetteriowa.desmoinesregister...embarrassment/

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Had there been a woman on Iowa’s Supreme Court, perhaps it would not have rewarded a boss’ sexism while punishing its recipient with the loss of her job and her income. Until some women are on the court, justices need training on what an equitable workplace is like and why accepting at face value a man’s claims that he can’t control himself robs women of equal opportunities.
I don't see at all where she should have been fired for his feelings toward her.

poppy 07/14/13 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jtbrandt (Post 6661314)
As a fellow beautiful person, I feel her pain.

Same here. I've been a chic magnet my whole life. Not sure if they are attracted to my big nose, my pot belly, or the bib overalls I wear but I notice a lot of them look at me.

unregistered5595 07/14/13 09:06 AM

Poppy, those magnetic qualities, too much charisma! I'm so attracted to you.YOU ARE FIRED, Good Day.

Isn't it just amazing how much power the courts have given me now? I don't need a reason at all to fire attractive people, but, it's so good to know, that if I'm attracted to them I can fire them--in my and their own best interest!

Edited: Jdbrandt--you are also FIRED, I hadn't considered firing attractive women, because I am a woman, but now that I've seen the error of my ways, you are fired too.

Ozarks Tom 07/14/13 11:28 AM

Luckily, being over attractive is a burden I've never had to bear.

A few years ago I was looking for a retail salesperson for one of my area rugs stores. Since it helped a great deal to have some design sense I called the local state university design/art department inquiring if they had any students who might be interested in working part time. They sent me 3 for interviews. I guess they were attractive, once you got past the piercings, tattoos, and provocative attire. I always wondered who told them it's a good idea to go on interviews looking like a $10 hooker.

unregistered5595 07/14/13 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom (Post 6662287)
I always wondered who told them it's a good idea to go on interviews looking like a $10 hooker.

Hiring a $10 hooker is a good business decision over hiring a $600 hooker, because they accept lower wages, thereby saving the company money.

unregistered353870 07/14/13 02:50 PM

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Jdbrandt--you are also FIRED, I hadn't considered firing attractive women, because I am a woman, but now that I've seen the error of my ways, you are fired too.
I'm an attractive man, not a woman, but I can accept your decision to fire me. That's why I have been self-employed for many years...I'm just too darn irresistible to work for anyone else. We all have our burdens....

unregistered5595 07/14/13 03:26 PM

Ah Jdbrandt, my apologies! I hadn't realized you were a man. You are still fired.

Though your initial post did help illuminate to me (if you were a woman) that this law, while basically flawed, is really only fair if you are a bisexual or asexual, a bisexual can be attracted to both men and women. It shouldn't be used by hetero or homo sexuals. Hetero and homo sexuals will only be attracted to one sex and it is discriminatory toward that sex.

Ozarks Tom: Aren't you worried that the $10 hooker's wives would be offended by your post?

Ardie/WI 07/14/13 03:28 PM

<Sigh> As a person who others find irresistable, I so understand.

Men have thrown themselves at my feet for years so much that the tops of my shoes wear out before the soles. :teehee:

unregistered168043 07/14/13 03:33 PM

I feel that employment is a voluntary and equal agreement between the employee and the employer. Just as the employee can terminate employment for any reason, so can the employer.

I've left many a job for the simple reason that I just didn't want to be there anymore. Imagine if we could be brought to court for quitting our job without a valid reason?

unregistered5595 07/14/13 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ardie/WI (Post 6662568)
<Sigh> As a person who others find irresistable, I so understand.

Men have thrown themselves at my feet for years so much that the tops of my shoes wear out before the soles. :teehee:

:heh:
I'd fire you BUT you have a disability and that would be against the law to fire you based entirely on your disability.
PS. the tops of your shoes wear out faster because you don't use the bottoms.

Bentley 07/14/13 04:23 PM

well, now I know why I was with the same corporation for 32 years.

unregistered5595 07/14/13 04:32 PM

The "TRICK" (seems so appropriate) here, is to be attractive enough to get hired and once hired, not too attractive, not irresistible enough to get fired.
:bow: Bentley

unregistered353870 07/14/13 04:48 PM

I'm going to start firing ugly people....

unregistered5595 07/15/13 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jtbrandt (Post 6662657)
I'm going to start firing ugly people....

You mean, "attractiveness-challenged people"?

watcher 07/15/13 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea (Post 6661230)
Yep. Right-to-work laws are VERY explicit that an employer can hire or fire for whatever reason, as long as the reason doesn't violate Federal anti-discrimination and/or ADA laws. I once was terminated with the stated reason that I was held up at gunpoint. Contacted an attorney and he told me to suck it up and move on. (Later found out the guy who terminated me was skimming and I was too honest for him to be comfortable with me around.)

I'm sorry but I think is you want to fire someone because of their skin color you should have that right. Would you expect the government to force you to let someone you don't like (for what ever reason) into your home? Your business is just as much your personal property as your home so what right does the government have to force you to let someone into it?

watcher 07/15/13 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Feather In The Breeze (Post 6661329)
What I find even more annoying than men claiming women as objects or sexual objects and making decisions based on their feelings of attractiveness to women, are the women that buy into that same irresponsible view.
Women now have careers, skills, education, business responsibilities, and responsibilities toward their families yet, they are only objects to be manipulated by men.
Feral Female--what did she do to try to get another woman's man?

Its because men are not women. They are visual creatures. Think about it how much hard core porn aimed at women? Next to none. Why? Because women are not turned on by the visual stuff, they are into the romantic.

Its sad but true a man's view of a prefect date is getting into bed ASAP where a women wants a candle light dinner followed by a carriage ride then a warm two person bubble bath followed by being carried into the bedroom.

Ardie/WI 07/15/13 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Feather In The Breeze (Post 6662612)
:heh:
I'd fire you BUT you have a disability and that would be against the law to fire you based entirely on your disability.
PS. the tops of your shoes wear out faster because you don't use the bottoms.

How do you know that?

unregistered5595 07/15/13 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher (Post 6663352)
Its because men are not women. They are visual creatures. Think about it how much hard core porn aimed at women? Next to none. Why? Because women are not turned on by the visual stuff, they are into the romantic.

Its sad but true a man's view of a prefect date is getting into bed ASAP where a women wants a candle light dinner followed by a carriage ride then a warm two person bubble bath followed by being carried into the bedroom.

This isn't a date, this is employment. I'm quite certain his job description didn't require him to carry on this this romantic behavior for his female employees. And I'm quite certain her job description didn't require her to perform in a visual manner (unless she was some how invisible) to please him sexually.
Given that both male and female employees have responsibilities to raise their children and support their families, why should one man's potential sexual harassment rob the woman of her job?

If I had 5 male employees and 5 female employees and I began to feel I may have to rape or sexually harass one of the male employees unless I fired him, then, this law opens it up to me.
It allows me to fire people based on the color of their skin--too dark, too light, albino, lack of tan, because of how I feel.
So a person's fear that they may break a law is justified in breaking another--that's what it looks like to me.
If Melissa Nelson feared she might have to hurt/maim/kill the dentist, would it be justifiable for her to break both his knee caps? Based on this logic, yes.She had 'feelings', she has no responsibility to reign in her 'feelings' and not act on them and therefore it's justified.

Harry--if you had known he was skimming, and you were a potential whistle blower, you'd have had protections in the law for being a whistle blower.


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