The aftermath of the Zimmerman trial.

Tabitha · #**161** 07/16/13, 08:56 PM

Are you trying to be funny? You know exactly how she meant it.

greg273 · #**162** 07/16/13, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabitha

Sorry to disappoint you, in the antebellum South, a cracker was a small farmer, a tad on the poor side. Someone who never had a slave, let alone crack a whip over one. .

Why would it 'disappoint me' to know the definition of a word?

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some crackers "owned a good many negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."

Ok, so its a term for a farmer. But also including slave owning farmers. Glad we cleared that up.

Nevada · #**163** 07/16/13, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabitha

Are you trying to be funny? You know exactly how she meant it.

Sure, Martin called him a "cracker" because he believed Zimmerman might be a racist white man, and that's what she thought also.

JeffreyD · #**164** 07/16/13, 09:04 PM

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I've never heard that before.

Are you suggesting that Martin's girlfriend interpreted the term "cracker" to mean that a small farmer was following him?

She said on Piers Morgan that the term "cracka" was a policeman os security guard!
I've been called a "cracka" before and they didn't mean I was a cop. It's a derogatory term for white folks.

JeffreyD · #**165** 07/16/13, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

Sure, Martin called him a "cracker" because he believed Zimmerman might be a racist white man, and that's what she thought also.

Martins "girlfriend" said Martin was afraid because he thought GZ was going to rape him! She was on Piers Morgan. She really needs to go back to school and learn english.

gapeach · #**166** 07/16/13, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

Sure, Martin called him a "cracker" because he believed Zimmerman might be a racist white man, and that's what she thought also.

Zimmerman was a Hispanic man and the "cracker" was a derogatory term for a white person. All of this is ridiculous. Even the FBI investigated the case and people involved. They came to the conclusion that this was not a racist crime. The girlfriend says a lot of outlandish nonsense and especially about Z being a rapist. I heard what she said too about the people on the jury being old and not like people "today".

Nevada · #**167** 07/16/13, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

I've been called a "cracka" before and they didn't mean I was a cop. It's a derogatory term for white folks.

Yes, "cracker" is a racist and derogatory term for white folks. That impression didn't do the prosecution any good either. It left the jury with the impression that Martin had racist leanings.

I swear, I'll never understand how the prosecution could have botched the preparation of that witness so badly. Remember when the prosecutor handed her the letter and asked her to read it. She had to admit that she couldn't read cursive handwriting. I mean seriously, how much preparation could he have given her when he didn't even know she couldn't read the letter?

Nevada · #**168** 07/16/13, 09:24 PM

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The girlfriend says a lot of outlandish nonsense and especially about Z being a rapist.

I don't think either one of them really thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist. That was her way of encouraging Martin to get away from the guy following him, because for all he knows the guy following him might be a rapist.

65284 · #**169** 07/16/13, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mmoetc

So the president should order private citizens to stop exercising their rights of free speech and assembly? Gotta love that Constitution.

Vast difference between exercising right of free speech...............and inciting to riot. The Supremes long ago decided there is a limit to free speech. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

Nevada · #**170** 07/16/13, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 65284

Vast difference between exercising right of free speech...............and inciting to riot. The Supremes long ago decided there is a limit to free speech. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

Free speech is limited in many ways, as is the right of assembly and even the right to petition the government. None of those rights is absolute.

dixiegal62 · #**171** 07/17/13, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tabitha

Sorry to disappoint you, in the antebellum South, a cracker was a small farmer, a tad on the poor side. Someone who never had a slave, let alone crack a whip over one. .

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1201343AASs4R0

By the 1760s, this term was in use by the English in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish settlers in the south. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode." A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers).

Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders,' 'corn-crackers,' or 'crackers.'" [Kephard Highlanders] Frederick Law Olmsted, a prominent landscape architect from the northern United States, visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and noted that some crackers "owned a good many negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."

It doesn't matter to me what the word meant at one time, the 'n' word was just a description now its derogatory and polite people don't use it. It should be the same with 'any' word used to describe 'any' race in a derogatory manner. Tired of the double standards.

farmrbrown · #**172** 07/17/13, 04:56 AM

"That term" was used at our family dinner table, to describe ourselves........a multigenerational Florida family who never owned slaves. I also heard it used in a derogatory context in the 70's .....by those who were ignorant of its true meaning, but couldn't think of anything else to say. That's why it always made me laugh.

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I never saw that, and would have never taken part in anything like that. I had lots of friends in the service at the time. The anti-war movement was all about keeping troops home. As I saw it, we were on the side of the troops.

I can't help but believe that mistreatment of Vietnam troops was an urban legend.

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As bad as things were, nobody I knew hated them for their participation on the war. There was no reason to hate them.

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I'm at a loss why anyone would do that.

Even people that disagreed with what they saw and heard, still remember seeing it and hearing it.
Y'all remember my warning about those that "feign ignorance"?
I'm not talking about those truly ignorant.....this is something entirely different.

Darren · #**173** 07/17/13, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by greg273

Ok, so its a term for a farmer. But also including slave owning farmers. Glad we cleared that up.

I doubt poor farmers could afford slaves unless the slaves were at the point in their lives they couldn't do much.

Darren · #**174** 07/17/13, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

I don't think either one of them really thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist. That was her way of encouraging Martin to get away from the guy following him, because for all he knows the guy following him might be a rapist.

BINGO!

Nevada, you just brought up something that's been puzzling me since I first found out the story of Trayvon's girlfriend was bogus. I haven't had a chance to watch Jeantel's testimony. When you commented on the apparent lack of preparation of Jeantel, you hit the nail on the head. Why did she need preparation? There's a reason and it's not what you think.

The latest revelation is the elaborate chain of events and connections in the campaign to stir up enough outrage to force the State of Florida to charge Zimmerman. It was a sophisticated effort. that involved some surprising people.

It was designed to bamboozle people and elict support by appealing to people's prejudices. Only after the trial are all of the details being discovered. Jeantel was the key to the effort and. it seems, the weakest link.

If gays stalking and raping Black kids didn't sound rediculous to you, I've got an antique bridge in New York City that I'm willing sell you at a fire sale price. I'm a motivated seller as was Benjamin Crump.

mmoetc · #**175** 07/17/13, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 65284

Vast difference between exercising right of free speech...............and inciting to riot. The Supremes long ago decided there is a limit to free speech. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

There have been more than a few threads here on the issue of free speech. They make for some interesting reading. If Jim Bunton is around I'm sure hell post his link pointing out that yelling fire in a crowded theater isn't illegal. So far, I've heard none if the protest organizers calling for violence. Just because you don't like the nature of a protest doesn't mean the govt. should do anything to suppress it.

gapeach · #**176** 07/17/13, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

Yes, "cracker" is a racist and derogatory term for white folks. That impression didn't do the prosecution any good either. It left the jury with the impression that Martin had racist leanings.

Maybe we people who are called crackers are not as thin skinned and think political correctness has really gone to extremes. I just smile at anyone who uses the word, I have heard it in fast food restaurants where the teenagers were in a group and that smile stops them every time.
I have never heard the word used by older Americans. They are friendlier and more polite.

I agree that J's use of the word did not do the prosecution any good at all.

Pops2 · #**177** 07/17/13, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

I never saw that, and would have never taken part in anything like that. I had lots of friends in the service at the time. The anti-war movement was all about keeping troops home. As I saw it, we were on the side of the troops.

I can't help but believe that mistreatment of Vietnam troops was an urban legend.

Then you should have gotten out more. Because there was plenty of mistreatment. My father almost got arrested for punching out a hippie that spit on him & called him a baby killer in SanDiego.

davel745 · #**178** 07/17/13, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

BINGO!

Nevada, you just brought up something that's been puzzling me since I first found out the story of Trayvon's girlfriend was bogus. I haven't had a chance to watch Jeantel's testimony. When you commented on the apparent lack of preparation of Jeantel, you hit the nail on the head. Why did she need preparation? There's a reason and it's not what you think.

The latest revelation is the elaborate chain of events and connections in the campaign to stir up enough outrage to force the State of Florida to charge Zimmerman. It was a sophisticated effort. that involved some surprising people.

It was designed to bamboozle people and elict support by appealing to
people's prejudices. Only after the trial are all of the details being discovered. Jeantel was the key to the effort and. it seems, the weakest link.

If gays stalking and raping Black kids didn't sound rediculous to you, I've got an antique bridge in New York City that I'm willing sell you at a fire sale price. I'm a motivated seller as was Benjamin Crump.

I thought from the get go that she was a phony. Why in the world would a nice looking kid like travon be interested in her? She is a crump special.

Darren · #**179** 07/17/13, 02:05 PM

I'm not sure what the deal is and why something struck me as odd. I still haven't watched her testimony. I'm back to wondering where the gay thing came from when I found out she was born in Miami although her mother is from Haiti.

I just can't wrap my mind around Trayvon being worried about being raped.I can see that said in jest ... and infuriating Trayvon. Especially the run home part. For an seventeen year old, that comes across as a challenge.

As much as he wanted people to see him as a gangsta, the fear of gays doesn't make sense.

farmrbrown · #**180** 07/18/13, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren

I'm not sure what the deal is and why something struck me as odd. I still haven't watched her testimony. I'm back to wondering where the gay thing came from when I found out she was born in Miami although her mother is from Haiti.

I just can't wrap my mind around Trayvon being worried about being raped.I can see that said in jest ... and infuriating Trayvon. Especially the run home part. For an seventeen year old, that comes across as a challenge.

As much as he wanted people to see him as a gangsta, the fear of gays doesn't make sense.

It is pretty obvious to me as to "why".

The racial profiling angle didn't work, even the jurors rejected that.
The anti-gun angle didn't work, the jury reaffirmed that right.
So.....let's try the homophobia agenda, to see if we can further erode our natural rights.

Meanwhile the actual events of what led to this tragedy haven't changed, just the "spin" coming from the left.
I'm sure that what she said to Trayvon was a very small part of the totality of the event, but the left will try to distract with minute details to further their agenda of disarmament.