The aftermath of the Zimmerman trial.

gapeach · #**141** 07/16/13, 01:27 PM

Witness claims youths yelled 'this is for Trayvon' in beating

Police still investigating claim in beating of Hispanic man

Hundreds of Trayvon Martin supporters gathered in downtown Baltimore to rally in response to the George Zimmerman verdict. (Lauren Loricchio/Baltimore Sun video)
By Justin George, The Baltimore Sun 7:39 p.m. EDT, July 15, 2013

Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."
A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects' reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments.
Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail.
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Using a translator, police spoke to the victim, who knows some English, according to the police report. The victim told officers that he was standing in the intersection of Fairmont and N. Potomac Street when a group of five black males first approached him.
He described all of the males as between 16 and 18 and told police a 6-foot suspect with a black "stretchy" shirt and mohawk told him, "What's up, [expletive]." When the victim raised his phone to call 911, the suspect raised his shirt and flashed a silver handgun in his waistband.
The victim turned and ran before he was caught in the 2800 block of Fairmont and was beaten, police said. He sustained abrasions to his elbows and forearms but refused medical attention.
Police listed all of the suspects involved as black males. Three were "skinny" while one was described as overweight.
Dudley, who lives in the neighborhood, said she worries about her Hispanic neighbors and said she and other residents were looking for ways to warn them of the incident beyond Facebook. Patterson Park has one of the city's highest concentration of Latinos and is home to the city's annual Latino Fest

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...#ixzz2ZEZgbGHM

This was caused by the actions of Al Sharpton and his ilk.
So whites and Hispanics will be targeted because Zimmerman was described as a white Hispanic?
Baltimore is one of the places where the citizens have lost their guns.

7thswan · #**142** 07/16/13, 02:04 PM

We are supposed to have protests here in Detroit and Flint. Flint is the one to worry about. 3 people murdered in their apartment last night. Lots of crime.

gapeach · #**143** 07/16/13, 02:24 PM

My husband used to work in Flint and it was bad then, 60's and 70's. Just stay inside and keep the doors locked.
This is something that law abiding people should not have to go through. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are behind this. How can the law let innocent people throughout the country who never had anything to do with what happened in Florida have to suffer?
There is a certain, sad segment of our population that thrives on crating strife amongst the races.
This case had nothing to do with race period.
Obama and Holder could speak to the people and get this stopped if they wanted to.

7thswan · #**144** 07/16/13, 03:00 PM

This is what Obama wants, those of us that know what Obama is all about have said this all along. He is a product of the racial troubles in the 60's, the same people surrounded him all his life and were his mentors. Add to that the Cloward and Piven plan, and here we are. Like clockwork. Except, I do not think that this will be as bad as what O needs to complete his plan. Many can see thru him, even tho they stay quiet on the subject.
My Dh lived in Flint in the 60's, I was born in Detroit, I remember the riots well. Thank goodness we are not too close to flint,maybe 30 miles.

Nevada · #**145** 07/16/13, 03:10 PM

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He is a product of the racial troubles in the 60's

You say that like there's some sort of shame associated with 60's racidal movements. We have a lot to be proud of. We ended the Vietnam war, gave 18 year-olds the right to vote, got the civil rights act, and women have gained a lot of equal rights. Which of those are you against?

7thswan · #**146** 07/16/13, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

You say that like there's some sort of shame associated with 60's racidal movements. We have a lot to be proud of. We ended the Vietnam war, gave 18 year-olds the right to vote, got the civil rights act, and women have gained a lot of equal rights. Which of those are you against?

The shame is, is that Obama wants it to continue. More Government, Bigger government and Obama is using the hatered to promote "change". These protesters don't know what "change" Obama wants,but they will listen to him, and Obama knows, and that is why Obama won't tell these rioters to knock it off and grow up. There is all kinds of shame that surrounded the 60's-look at Charels Manson, Bill Ayers....

Lazaryss · #**147** 07/16/13, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

You say that like there's some sort of shame associated with 60's racidal movements. We have a lot to be proud of. We ended the Vietnam war, gave 18 year-olds the right to vote, got the civil rights act, and women have gained a lot of equal rights. Which of those are you against?

I'm against the horrible treatment of our soldiers by the public which occured at the time.

gapeach · #**148** 07/16/13, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazaryss

I'm against the horrible treatment of our soldiers by the public which occured at the time.

Sad that those soldiers were subject to the draft then. Most of them did not volunteer to go to Vietnam and were not treated right when they came home. Most of them carry baggage from the war still today.

Lazaryss · #**149** 07/16/13, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gapeach

Sad that those soldiers were subject to the draft then. Most of them did not volunteer to go to Vietnam and were not treated right when they came home. Most of them carry baggage from the war still today.

I agree completely.

Nevada · #**150** 07/16/13, 06:13 PM

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I'm against the horrible treatment of our soldiers by the public which occured at the time.

I never saw that, and would have never taken part in anything like that. I had lots of friends in the service at the time. The anti-war movement was all about keeping troops home. As I saw it, we were on the side of the troops.

I can't help but believe that mistreatment of Vietnam troops was an urban legend.

Nevada · #**151** 07/16/13, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gapeach

Most of them did not volunteer to go to Vietnam and were not treated right when they came home. Most of them carry baggage from the war still today.

Unlike a lot of wars, returning Vietnam troops found that they had been fighting a very unpopular war. The accomplishments of the war were unsung for the most part, and they weren't greeted as heroes. They found themselves returning to an economy with unemployment problems and a lot of them didn't develop much in the way of marketable job skills in the service.

On the whole, it was difficult for them. Many turned to the GI bill so they could go to college. It worked for some, but not others. Many took jobs at factories or gas stations, but a lot became drunks and drug addicts. \

As bad as things were, nobody I knew hated them for their participation on the war. There was no reason to hate them.

Txsteader · #**152** 07/16/13, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

I can't help but believe that mistreatment of Vietnam troops was an urban legend.

I know a lot of veterans, my DH included, who would strongly disagree with you. He remembers, and mentions to this day, the term 'baby killer' when he returned from 'Nam.

gapeach · #**153** 07/16/13, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Txsteader

I know a lot of veterans, my DH included, who would strongly disagree with you. He remembers, and mentions to this day, the term 'baby killer' when he returned from 'Nam.

You are exactly right. One of my HS friends had the job of taking the bodies off the battlefield to ID them. He has died now but never really got over the horrors that he witnessed. He has died of cancer now. Urban legends, my rear end!

Txsteader · #**154** 07/16/13, 07:50 PM

It's one thing to be drafted into service for your country. It's an entirely different thing to be treated w/ such contempt on your return.

And we all know who was saying those contemptible things. Most of them vote Democrat today.

Nevada · #**155** 07/16/13, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Txsteader

I know a lot of veterans, my DH included, who would strongly disagree with you. He remembers, and mentions to this day, the term 'baby killer' when he returned from 'Nam.

I'm at a loss why anyone would do that.

arabian knight · #**156** 07/16/13, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Txsteader

I know a lot of veterans, my DH included, who would strongly disagree with you. He remembers, and mentions to this day, the term 'baby killer' when he returned from 'Nam.

Yes I clearly remember some calling the returning vets that. No exaggeration there at all. It was done.

gapeach · #**157** 07/16/13, 08:04 PM

I think it was mostly because of the My Lai Massacre.

Nevada · #**158** 07/16/13, 08:26 PM

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Yes I clearly remember some calling the returning vets that. No exaggeration there at all. It was done.

Can you elaborate? Where, when, what happened? What did you do or say?

Tabitha · #**159** 07/16/13, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by greg273

And about the 'cracker' thing, didn't that whole thing get started with the white folk being 'whip crackers' over their slaves?? Thats what I was led to believe.

Sorry to disappoint you, in the antebellum South, a cracker was a small farmer, a tad on the poor side. Someone who never had a slave, let alone crack a whip over one. .

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1201343AASs4R0

By the 1760s, this term was in use by the English in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish settlers in the south. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode." A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers).

Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders,' 'corn-crackers,' or 'crackers.'" [Kephard Highlanders] Frederick Law Olmsted, a prominent landscape architect from the northern United States, visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and noted that some crackers "owned a good many negroes, and were by no means so poor as their appearance indicated."

Nevada · #**160** 07/16/13, 08:44 PM

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Sorry to disappoint you, in the antebellum South, a cracker was a small farmer, a tad on the poor side.

I've never heard that before.

Are you suggesting that Martin's girlfriend interpreted the term "cracker" to mean that a small farmer was following him?