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07/18/13, 05:55 PM
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As for the demonstrations planned for this coming weekend. Take a look at who benefits when racial tensions are high and you will see who it is that is pushing all this division. This is Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and their Rent-A-Mobs, not the everyday citizens of any color. Eric Holder and Obama both know that the demonstrations are planned. Obama is keeping silent right now but all he would have to do is to come out and say to tone the rhetoric down before someone gets hurt really bad or killed. Eric Holder knows it too. He is not trying to stop it.
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07/18/13, 06:30 PM
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I advise Katy to get her gun skills up to snuff and to the others to be prepared. This isn't going to end well.
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07/18/13, 07:16 PM
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Then you should have gotten out more. Because there was plenty of mistreatment. My father almost got arrested for punching out a hippie that spit on him & called him a baby killer in SanDiego.
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It still doesn't make sense to me. For the most part the troops were drafted, and a lot who enlisted only did it because the knew they were going to be drafted anyway. Those guys only did what they were told to do. We knew that.
My motivation to protest the Vietman war was so young Americans didn't have to be drafted and send to southeast Asia. What possible motivation would I have to harass a returning soldier? I was protesting on behalf of the troops. In fact a lot of returned troops were protesting along side of us. It just makes no sense at all.
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07/19/13, 01:48 AM
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The feds have told the Sanford PD not to return Zimmerman's gun. I thought he was found not guilty. I guess this doesn't have any meaning anymore.
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07/19/13, 07:59 AM
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It still doesn't make sense to me. For the most part the troops were drafted, and a lot who enlisted only did it because the knew they were going to be drafted anyway. Those guys only did what they were told to do. We knew that.
My motivation to protest the Vietman war was so young Americans didn't have to be drafted and send to southeast Asia. What possible motivation would I have to harass a returning soldier? I was protesting on behalf of the troops. In fact a lot of returned troops were protesting along side of us. It just makes no sense at all.
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People attacked the Messinger not the message. I do belive it's why so many Vets from that time still have problems.
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07/19/13, 09:46 AM
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The feds have told the Sanford PD not to return Zimmerman's gun. I thought he was found not guilty. I guess this doesn't have any meaning anymore.
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They haven't blocked Zimmerman from getting his gun back permanently. They just put a hold on the evidence for a federal investigation. That sounds reasonable.
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07/19/13, 10:49 AM
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he will get his weapon back once all the lamestream media chimps tea party about it is over and the trial evidence is released.
We were discussing this over lunch the other day and many of us remarked that is why we classify our handguns in two or three categories. Most of us have our lower cost but dependable every day carry service weapons and our more valuable older out of production weapons that we carry occasionally and the lucky ones have the truly valuable antique grade weapons that usually remain safe stored and see limited range use. Regardless of the grade and value we personally assign them, they all still are defensive weapons and can be used as such.
Legally George Zimmerman's KT will be returned to him, however if his trial status has already been negated and his 2nd Amendment right is no longer judicially impacted and fully restored, he has already quietly been returned possession of any other weapons that he or his immediate family owned that were taken into custody from his home during the trial.
It would not surprise me at all if George Zimmerman were to allow his KT to be scrapped and he quietly returns to as normal of a lifestyle as he can as Kel Tec is one of the more affordable daily service use pieces of hardware and protect himself with other weapons that he owns.
Of course if he chooses to return to life as quietly as possible with other weapons in his ownership, the lamesteam media, leftist gun abolishment and 2nd Amendment gun rights lobby groups will continue the battle over his Kel Tec's release from custody as it can be spun to strengthen all of their agendas regardless if those agendas are rating sweeps, gun control or gun ownership rights.
Regardless of how the show plays out now, George Zimmerman's role is most likely going to be minimal
As the staged media production plays out all any of us can do is ensure the safety of ourselves and homes to the best level that our personal values allow us to.
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07/19/13, 12:56 PM
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It still doesn't make sense to me. For the most part the troops were drafted, and a lot who enlisted only did it because the knew they were going to be drafted anyway. Those guys only did what they were told to do. We knew that.
My motivation to protest the Vietman war was so young Americans didn't have to be drafted and send to southeast Asia. What possible motivation would I have to harass a returning soldier? I was protesting on behalf of the troops. In fact a lot of returned troops were protesting along side of us. It just makes no sense at all.
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Then you were A LOT smarter than your peers, because many (probably not most but many) treated the troops like crap. Since they couldn't confront the politicians that made those choices they stupidly transferred their anger toward the executors of the political decisions.
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07/19/13, 01:34 PM
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They haven't blocked Zimmerman from getting his gun back permanently. They just put a hold on the evidence for a federal investigation. That sounds reasonable.
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I thought I was done with the Zimmerman nonsense, but I just have to ask...what could the gun possibly contribute to a civil rights investigation?
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07/19/13, 01:53 PM
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I thought I was done with the Zimmerman nonsense, but I just have to ask...what could the gun possibly contribute to a civil rights investigation?
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Withholding the gun contributes drama to an otherwise ho hum theme of can kicking. It fools some into thinking the DOJ is serious about the latest theater production.
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07/19/13, 02:12 PM
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I thought I was done with the Zimmerman nonsense, but I just have to ask...what could the gun possibly contribute to a civil rights investigation?
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I heard that the reason is that the government thinks he is racist and a possible danger to the public. I should say the DOJ thinks he is racist, I guess that is the government.
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07/19/13, 02:50 PM
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I thought I was done with the Zimmerman nonsense, but I just have to ask...what could the gun possibly contribute to a civil rights investigation?
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What did the gun contribute to the trial we just saw? There was never a dispute that it was the weapon used and that Zimmerman was the one who fired it. Still, when you have a trial over someone being shot the prosecution will want to have the weapon used. I think there are no exceptions to that.
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07/19/13, 03:13 PM
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I heard that the reason is that the government thinks he is racist and a possible danger to the public. I should say the DOJ thinks he is racist, I guess that is the government.
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This incident was still a tragedy, and I'm hearing nothing from the right about how to correct it. The fact remains that an innocent boy was shot and killed, and that fact bothers a lot of people. If the right doesn't become engaged in a discussion about how to prevent similar incidents in the future then a solution will be thrust upon you. You won't like it, but you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.
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07/19/13, 03:24 PM
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This incident was still a tragedy, and I'm hearing nothing from the right about how to correct it. The fact remains that an innocent boy was shot and killed, and that fact bothers a lot of people. If the right doesn't become engaged in a discussion about how to prevent similar incidents in the future then a solution will be thrust upon you. You won't like it, but you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.
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If preventing one human from killing another was that easy it would have already been done. Seeing that GZ voted for Obama the problem isn't with the right it's with the left.
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07/19/13, 03:30 PM
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If preventing one human from killing another was that easy it would have already been done. Seeing that GZ voted for Obama the problem isn't with the right it's with the left.
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Let me put it in more simple terms. I suspect that legislators will be taking another look at self-defense and stand-your-ground laws after this case. You might still be able to own a gun and buy ammunition, but I think we'll see a shift towards shooters having more accountability.
Gun owners are completely silent on accountability. If you don't show a little consideration for the rights of unarmed people to walk the streets without being shot then the shift in gun laws will be just that much more severe.
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07/19/13, 03:37 PM
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I will put it this way, if I am attacked I will do whatever is necessary to stop the threat.
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07/19/13, 03:48 PM
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I will put it this way, if I am attacked I will do whatever is necessary to stop the threat.
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That's fine. Just don't come back later and say that the new self-defense standard is unfair. You have a chance to speak up now, but all you want is your gun. You might still be allowed to have your gun, but you might go to prison for using it.
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07/19/13, 03:48 PM
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Holder's just worried if he uses it again, the kickback will break his nose again.
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07/19/13, 03:58 PM
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That's fine. Just don't come back later and say that the new self-defense standard is unfair. You have a chance to speak up now, but all you want is your gun. You might still be allowed to have your gun, but you might go to prison for using it.
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Are you saying you would rather the victim of an attack die than defend themselves? I do like having my gun, as a woman it can be the equalizer in an attack. I can defend myself without it, as I am fortunate in having training to do so. Does my extra training in some minds constitute an unfair advantage?
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07/19/13, 04:14 PM
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Are you saying you would rather the victim of an attack die than defend themselves? I do like having my gun, as a woman it can be the equalizer in an attack. I can defend myself without it, as I am fortunate in having training to do so. Does my extra training in some minds constitute an unfair advantage?
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I can't say, since I have no idea what kind of training you're talking about.
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