The Kiss Law

I would like for you to explain to me how you propose to manufacture anything without some pollution? "Are you ready to undergo major economic unheaval". You are totally naive if you think that is all it would be.

And in the meantime lots of people will die. Maybe even you is it worth that? New ideas are great but they don't come out everyday. How long can you survive with out going to the store? And that is the idea of it you will have nothing to sell so all store will close down until you can produce anything with out adding to the pollution. That might take 10 years or a 200 years no body knows. Can you survive that long?

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

If my dieing would stop the pollution of the world I would die gladly, but it wont, so lets not be silly.

New ideas come out because the "need" is seen by a person that is willing to take the chance, and can find the people to back him. The promise that in five years all cell phones that are not made without polluting will not be sold in this country. I am sure someone out there will see the "need".

Yep, they will see the "need" to buy off a few govt officials and get the guidelines changed to where they can meet them.

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It is still best to be honest and truthful; to make the most of what we have; to be happy with the simple pleasures and to be cheerful and have courage when things go wrong.
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Yep it may take 10 years or 100 years to find the answer but in the mean time are you going to survive? It is a good question not to be snuffed off. I doubt it when the stores closed for 10 years and you have food for a year that means that you must grow everything you need for the next 9 years just to survive. And do it with adding polution in the mix but you can't do that. Any thing causes pollution even growing things organically and forget about meat.All meat animals cause pollution just by living just like you do.

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

Human corruption is not part of the law, and do you really think it is a valid reason to object?

Most of us are giving reasonable answers but you life in a world that is pure fantasy. If you were king or queen then maybe of you controil everything you may get to where you want to be but it is not a cinch. You would have to control everything no matter what and you will lose all the freedoms that you have today. Big brother is not the answer it is convincing everyday people. You say that great idea are their to porduce everything with out pollutions. How much does it cost and are you willing to pay the price. Lets see If you get rid of all the power plants and run things off of natural gas and get rid of all the cars you may make a difference in 10 years but in the process you will have to get rid of all the pollution finding natural gas and the by products. Just fining them more is not the answer all a company needs to do is file bankruptcy and cease to do business. This happens today.

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

The law would read, “If you cannot make it without polluting, no matter where in the world you make it; you cannot sell it in this country.”

There is NO mention of my being queen. So stick to the question please. We the people are the ones in control. Or at least we should be.

The businesses will be the ones "paying" the decision to buy or not buy is yours. Part of the question was what would you be willing to give up?

There is no mention of the closing of power plants, just cleaning them up. Industry has already started the clean -up this law would just help to speed things up.

Cars, Anything in the process of manufacturing a new car that would cause pollution will be need to be cleaned up, but the cars on the road would be "grandfathered in". That would allow for a transition.

The process for making the gas the cars use would need to be done with out polluting. Or perhaps companies will be formed that will transform your car to use some other fuel.

I do not believe filing for bankruptcy can be used as a shield when violating the law. All executives will be held responsible.

Ok, once again I keep seeing this "without polluting" business. I will vote for your kiss law when you tell me exactly what you ate yesterday, and how a single bite of it managed to get on your table without some level of "pollution" being involved.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

I had a tomato and lettuce salad. I made it from my garden and it was big enough to last me the day, three meals. Happy? See you at the poles.

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The electric car is already on the road; a more efficient internal combustion motor and a scrubber for the exhaust is well with in the five year limit. We can do it; we just need to find the pitchfork.[/QUOTE]
The electric car is a novelty item, it will go no futher than a local transportation mode due to its limited range.

Alchohol will eventually be driven into the annals of history as it will drive the cost of food so high no one will be able to afford its use. You either stop selling to alchohol plants or starve.

the exhaust scrubbers. Thats already been done. Its called a catalytic converter. That is its sole purpose to burn the toxic gases. IF you want better emissions, then people need to tune their vehicles on a regular basis. But folks don't do this, they are content to wait til something breaks or the computer tells them something is wrong.

Lets see..... prohibition outlawed the sale of alchohol.... how did that work out??? LOL Go for it, cause all you'll do is create on heck of a underground blackmarket economy.

IF you don't have CO2, you don't have plants and then you do not have oxygen. Simple isn't it....

And for whatever reason you seem to think that there were no pollutants involved with your starvation diet? What did you do to prepare the soil for your garden this spring? Did you use any metal tools to turn the soil? Did you save seed from last years garden... or did you buy them from some company? Were they transported on our hiways at any point? Did you wash your veggies prior to eating them? If so did you wash them at the creek? or maybe you had water piped into your house. Most folks these days do that. Did you have any scraps left over? how were they disposed of? What about the knife you sliced the tomato with? Where did it come from? was it made of steel, or did you use a nice sharp rock? Oh, and its polls. I have a feeling there was plenty of "polluting" going on by the time you finished your "environmentally pure" feast yesterday, so I am in no rush to get to the polls.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

Inventors and businessmen working together will find the way when they see the money to be made.

Do you truly think we should we dump the problem on the laps of our children?

I don't know. You are asking for a sci-fi solution, where a replicator creates something out of nothing, Do you have an understanding of physics.

She forgets that everything is made by electricity. In her world if it is not thier when you get through with it it is not their. Everything you do cause pollution. It may be the electric grid only causes pollution at the power paints but every time you use it it causes more. I guess if they could come up with a way to get electricity from nothing it may work but until then the inventors will have to be working top speed to find what it is. Once that happens then it is all down hill.

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

I think you have actually hit on the solution to the environmental problem.... that being children.... The only realistic method of controlling the amount of pollution on this planet is to control the number of children. People pollute. Fewer people = less pollution.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

In my understanding of physics nothing is ever created nor destroyed.... they are simply changed. Sometimes energy is converted to mass, other times mass is converted to energy but overall, everything that was here in the beginning is still here. What many call pollution is merely the effect of changing various matter into other forms of matter. ALL of which is perfectly natural. A simple veggie salad, once consumed by a human body undergoes a number of changes.... thus causing some level of "pollution". I have come to believe that the only true constant is the fact that everything is always changing. I have learned over the years that most environmentalists do not seem to understand these very basic laws of physics.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain