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02/21/13, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MJsLady
You know, watching your children murdered in front of you has to affect your brain as much if not ore than being drunk.
So if the drunk driver should get a pass because he was drunk, the father should get a pass because 1) the drunk driver does not have to live with what he did and 2) the father has to live with out his sons for the rest of his life. Plus living with the knowledge that he took a human life even though he was seemingly justified in doing so.
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"Murder" is your word, not others's
Would it make any difference, if the driver was stone cold sober?
Was the driver drunk, or was he in shock, or even injured, from a terrible accident and maybe just appeared to be drunk?
Was the father trained and in mental capacity himself, to administer a field sobriety test, to the driver, or perhaps had a portable breathalyzer test handy?
It's always amazing, how due process gets thrown right the window, whenever convenient.
This was not a typical accident, drinking, or otherwise. The boys were pushing a disabled car on the road a night, maybe without even any lights. Might be the type of accident that could happen to anyone.
Would it be OK for the Father to shoot you, if he thought you were drunk?
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02/21/13, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby
He may have been privy to that knowledge, but he should have obeyed our laws, not taken things into his own hands..
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I agree with you thats what should have been done.
BUT I fully understand not being in the most rational control of yourself in a situation like this.
Some are making a big deal of the time element, like as if the father didnt kill the guy within seconds he somehow was in control.
I can attest that when your system receives a shock of this magnitude your mind may not process the info for a while perhaps days.
What the Dad did wasnt right, but it wasnt wrong either.
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02/21/13, 05:34 PM
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If you drive drunk and kill someone it is your fault.
In NC at least, the law defines drunk. If you drink,
stay off the road. Where alcohol is concerned, there
is no accident. Just a wrong choice. No sympathy
from me for a drunk driver. Not even a dead one.
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02/21/13, 05:36 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by fantasymaker
What the Dad did wasnt right, but it wasnt wrong either.
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Ok, I first want to point out that the dad may or may not have been the shooter, we really do not know what took place. Therefor I am operating under the assumption that he indeed shot the driver, based only on scant information available which leaves a lot of doubt either way. IF he was the shooter, then I will have to stand on my original comment that he is guilty of murder. The driver was no longer a threat, drunk sober or otherwise. Our citizens have certain God given rights... and one of them is the right to life which cannot be denied without due process of law. The dad had no right to kill him and to do so is just plain wrong. I understand perfectly why he might do it, I might have done the same thing myself.... but it doesnt change the fact that its still wrong, its totally against the law in the state of Texas, along with every other state in our nation. Tis indeed a sad day... not only will the family have lost their two sons, and another family lost theirs... there is a good possibility that the dad will now end up being executed for his poor judgement as well. Again... We dont know what happened, that is yet to be determined by our police investigations, and the courts..... provided some other vigilante doesnt interfere with due process in the meantime.
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02/21/13, 05:43 PM
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Murphy was an optimist ;)
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Originally Posted by DavidUnderwood
If you drive drunk and kill someone it is your fault.
In NC at least, the law defines drunk. If you drink,
stay off the road. Where alcohol is concerned, there
is no accident. Just a wrong choice. No sympathy
from me for a drunk driver. Not even a dead one.
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Ahhhh here is one of the good folks I mentioned on the previous page.... "it makes no difference who may have caused the accident, if anyone has had anything to drink... it is automatically HIS/HER fault". It makes no difference that a soccer mom was passing a truck on a hill in a no passing zone and slammed head on into some poor schmuck coming home from work and had stopped in for a cold one on the way... its his fault.
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02/21/13, 05:53 PM
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If you drink, don't drive. REAL SIMPLE!
Keep your tail off the road.
There will be no questions that way.
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02/21/13, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby
The driver was no longer a threat, drunk sober or otherwise.
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How do you know this? I bet both I and the father think otherwise.
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02/22/13, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fantasymaker
How do you know this? I bet both I and the father think otherwise.
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If you see an impaired driver swerving around on a country road can you shoot him because you think he is dangerous?
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02/22/13, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanda
If you see an impaired driver swerving around on a country road can you shoot him because you think he is dangerous? 
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Seems Like a very good idea.
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02/22/13, 09:09 AM
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How about we shoot anyone we see talking on a cell phone while driving?
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02/22/13, 09:09 AM
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The investigators will present their findings to the District Attorney. The District Attorney will decide if the case has merit to go to the Grand Jury. If the Grand Jury finds merit for a trial then a jury of 12 will decide the final outcome.
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02/22/13, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pancho
How about we shoot anyone we see talking on a cell phone while driving?
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Amen Pancho.
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02/22/13, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidUnderwood
If you drive drunk and kill someone it is your fault.
In NC at least, the law defines drunk. If you drink,
stay off the road. Where alcohol is concerned, there
is no accident. Just a wrong choice. No sympathy
from me for a drunk driver. Not even a dead one.
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Old law goes well beyond the alcohol-impaired aspect.
Anyone who over-runs their headlights or travels faster than conditions safely merit runs a risk, and if that risk involves injury or death to another, all rights in the matter are lost.
Not so long ago, immediate retribution was commonplace, and I dare say that many were more cautious in their approach to life for that fact.
ETA........as for the matter of cell phone use while operating a vehicle on the highways at top speed....or any other commonplace entertainment value distraction, there is your evidence that we are completely embroiled in a fullblown idiot society and your best choice is to stay home.
Live and interact with society, today, at your own great peril.
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02/22/13, 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrek
The investigators will present their findings to the District Attorney. The District Attorney will decide if the case has merit to go to the Grand Jury. If the Grand Jury finds merit for a trial then a jury of 12 will decide the final outcome.
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NOPE
ONLY the investigators will normally DECIDE after that EVERYONE else feels compelled to convict them since the people before them are assumed to know more than they.
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02/22/13, 11:28 AM
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I so wish we could go back to common law and common sense!
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02/22/13, 04:34 PM
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I think we have some common law but no common sense!
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