Father charged with shooting drunk driver

plowjockey · #21 02/18/13, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Darntootin

I reread the link. Didn't realize the drunk driver had killed the 2 boys. I can't fault the father.

Did the driver have one beer and then maybe did not see the boys, pushing a disabled vehicle, on the dark road?

Now we may never know.

Interesting that we usually only care about due process, when it fits our agenda.

unregistered41671 · #22 02/18/13, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

when it fits our agenda.

What does that mean. How could anyone have an agenda about this tragedy? Just curious.

plowjockey · #23 02/18/13, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Possum Belly

What does that mean. How could anyone have an agenda about this tragedy? Just curious.

I probably should have noted it, but I was referring to the recent outcry, over CIA drones killing an American, who was a known to be heavily involved in terrorism, including 9/11 and Ft Hood, hiding out in Yemen.

He had not received enough due process (In the U.S. any way), therefor according to many, no "death sentence" should have been carried out.

We don't know the facts in this case - at all, but since we have great disdain for drunk drivers - even though this one was only "suspected", it is ok for the distraught father, to put a round though his head.

unregistered41671 · #24 02/18/13, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

I probably should have noted it, but I was referring to the recent outcry, over CIA drones killing an American, who was a known to be heavily involved in terrorism, including 9/11 and Ft Hood, hiding out in Yemen.

He had not received enough due process (In the U.S. any way), therefor according to many, no "death sentence" should have been carried out.

We don't know the facts in this case - at all, but since we have great disdain for drunk drivers - even though this one was only "suspected", it is ok for the distraught father, to put a round though his head.

Thank you for the clarification.

Sawmill Jim · #25 02/18/13, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

I probably should have noted it, but I was referring to the recent outcry, over CIA drones killing an American, who was a known to be heavily involved in terrorism, including 9/11 and Ft Hood, hiding out in Yemen.

He had not received enough due process (In the U.S. any way), therefor according to many, no "death sentence" should have been carried out.

We don't know the facts in this case - at all, but since we have great disdain for drunk drivers - even though this one was only "suspected", it is ok for the distraught father, to put a round though his head.

Got to love reporters the guy was suspected to be drunk so why wasn't the father just suspected of shooting the suspected drunk .

**Shrek** · #26 02/18/13, 11:30 PM

The father should be charged in the killing, tried and his defense should reflect his mental state at the time of the killing.

fishhead · #27 02/19/13, 06:27 AM

It's not possible to say what we would have or he should have done in his case until it happens to us.

I was in a similar situation not long enough ago. My emotions were running through me like water through a fire hose. One second I was so numb with grief I could barely stand and the next second I was pure rage and would crushed the person and anyone standing in the way to him.

You just don't know what you would do and I still don't.

unregistered168043 · #28 02/19/13, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Did the driver have one beer and then maybe did not see the boys, pushing a disabled vehicle, on the dark road?

Now we may never know.

Interesting that we usually only care about due process, when it fits our agenda.

I'm not suggesting that the father should not be tried. I simply stated that I can understand the fathers reaction. He killed the driver and all the facts must be weighed. It seems to me, based on the very short report, that a plea of temporary insanity would have merit.

MJsLady · #29 02/19/13, 08:09 AM

After reading the link it says they later found the guy shot. So they did not see him shot at the scene?
Whether he was drunk or not is to me immaterial. He killed those 2 boys. He should have seen the truck being pushed and stopped before hitting it.

This to me would be what they call justifiable homicide.

unregistered168043 · #30 02/19/13, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

I probably should have noted it, but I was referring to the recent outcry, over CIA drones killing an American, who was a known to be heavily involved in terrorism, including 9/11 and Ft Hood, hiding out in Yemen.

He had not received enough due process (In the U.S. any way), therefor according to many, no "death sentence" should have been carried out.

We don't know the facts in this case - at all, but since we have great disdain for drunk drivers - even though this one was only "suspected", it is ok for the distraught father, to put a round though his head.

You are comparing a premeditated, assassination carried out by government ( those entrusted with great power and must represent law and order ), with a distraught father who just witnessed his son's death? Either way, the father is being TRIED for murder....where is the trial of the government officials who ordered and planned the assassination?

In my view, and the view of many, the government must be accountable to the law just like you and me. In fact, those who are entrusted with such increasingly omnipotent power, should be held to an even higher standard. As it stands, when the individual breaks the law he is held accountable while government actions have no consequences, and are unfettered by constitutional limitations. The danger that this represents to society dwarfs any danger that the father can pose, and is becoming a greater concern to many Americans.

NoClue · #31 02/19/13, 08:23 AM

Like the OP, I can certainly sympathize with the father. I can't honestly say that, in his position, I wouldn't do something similar. If I did, however, I would be just as guilty of murder.

Yvonne's hubby · #32 02/19/13, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasymaker

Do you mean the murderer or the concerned father?

I am pretty sure in this case the "concerned father" is the murderer. He is the one who made a conscious decision to take someones life. It was not self defense obviously. Crime of passion? yep, but that is not a very good defense for premeditated murder. HE CHOSE to take a life.... his children were killed in an automobile accident. Big difference.

Yvonne's hubby · #33 02/19/13, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sawmill Jim

Got to love reporters the guy was suspected to be drunk so why wasn't the father just suspected of shooting the suspected drunk .

The father is "suspected" of shooting the suspected drunk at this point... He has been charged only... there has yet to be a trial or conviction.... much less the carrying out of sentence. Therefor he is "suspected", not guilty of anything... yet.

arabian knight · #34 02/19/13, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

The father is "suspected" of shooting the suspected drunk at this point... He has been charged only... there has yet to be a trial or conviction.... much less the carrying out of sentence. Therefor he is "suspected", not guilty of anything... yet.

Although the father has been indicted for murder. Pretty close to being charged for murder, a very fine line between the two.

Hollowdweller · #35 02/19/13, 04:20 PM

He'll get off.

fantasymaker · #36 02/19/13, 06:51 PM

Personally I would rather be killed for just cause than just because....
Just because someone didnt care.

haley1 · #37 02/19/13, 07:49 PM

#6. Thou shalt not kill.

arabian knight · #38 02/19/13, 08:00 PM

So true and what the father was was cold blooded murder and should Pay The Price of his actions. What he did was put himself on the same ground as those that accidentally even if they were drunk, it was an accident. And he murdered the person that drove into his kids. He is NO BETTER then the ALLEGED drunk that hit and killed his kids. Period.

beccachow · #39 02/19/13, 08:10 PM

AK I very seldom disagree with you, but I think I do in this case.

That man CHOSE to drink and get behind the wheel, endangering everyone around him with a two ton death trap. That isn't exactly an accident IMHO. He coldbloodedly made a life altering decision that robbed an innocent man of his children, forever. I can hardly fault the man for snapping and killing the guy. It is so dratted easy to say what we would or would never do.

I wonder if the outcome would have been different if the guy just misjudged distance, didn't see them or whatever due to ANY other cause but alcohol?

Pops2 · #40 02/19/13, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

Ah yes nice Christian People voting for vigilantism. No better then the father taking the justice system into his own hands.

Eye for an eye justice predates Christendom (and in fact is contrary to christianity), and exists independent of all abrahamic religions. However nice to see you jump to bigoted conclusions about the posters.