What are "Reasonable Gun Laws" re Pistol Magagazines.

All I was pointing out was that he has experience of firearms. Someone earlier in the thread indicated they did not think he did. His opinions are his own.

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Excellent clarification! The fact is that everything stated by the OP is simply that, HIS OPINION!

The fact that he feels comfortable staking the lives of himself and his family on limited firepower has absolutely no bearing on how you or I feel about defending ourselves and our families.

It also seems to be his opinion that he will never face more than one assailant. That is some assumption.

If I assume that my assailant won't be armed, then my martial arts training should suffice, if it's just one on one in a "fair" fight. Based on this assumption I don't need a gun at all. Shall we use that to justify our national gun policy?

His opinion qualifies him to speak for himself. I can live with that.

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I would prefer to run out of targets long before I run out of rounds than have the oppisite happen.

3 rounds might be fine for 1 target but when confronted with multiple targets I would want as many as possible.

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Well lets see wait up while I reload. That will do for now.

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Oddly enough that was part of my point. I was trained, so a Colt Python would be just fine with me. It's reliable, and it does not jam. The studies show that in the vast majority of firefights involving semi-auto or automatic weapons, that the miss rate is ridiculous. Vietnam, the North Hollywood shoot out, the Kehoe shoot out.. A huge number of rounds were expended without hits.

As for the "3 shot magic", I apologies for that. That is somewhat unique to me because of my PTSD. I'll scream like a little girl if you surprise me, but if I know what I am going into, the mortality of it just doesn't bother me. Thus the steady hand, and thus the 3 rounds.

As far as the "Clip" vs "Magazine" debate mentioned above. I never bothered to differentiate between the two, as it never mattered to me. Technically there is a difference. My view is that they both feed bullets into a weapon( I guess that I need to be technical so the Rifle, Carbine, Lever Action, Bolt Action, Pistol, Revolver, Pump Action, Break Action, etc... Police keep me correct.)

You have PTSD and own a gun? You are on their list to disarm.

Agreed,

To tell the truth, when Para-Ordinance came up with the Wide Body grip and Clip for the .45 I gave a little cheer. I thought it was the "Bomb". I still think it is "The Bomb", and think that the .45 is one of the best all around rounds available. The stopping power alone makes it worth it.

Against 2 targets, I will still take my Python. Against 3 or more, I will take a .45, Kimber makes a hell of a .45 and sans a custom made, that would be my choice against 3 or more.

As a 21 year vet you could have fooled me. Not all vets know anything abuot the gun they are supposed to fire. I was range NCO for 7 years and some of them could only holed them the right way.

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Actually, not yet. But that is a very real possibility. My dad has PTSD from Vietnam, and was also depressed, for a time because of it. However in Michigan, he was able to get a CCW because he was not "Currently Suffering" from Mental Illness.

But the new laws, do indeed threaten.

The problem with "Mental Illness" is that everyone knows that it can escalate to violence!

The problem with being "Human" is that it can escalate to violence.

When it comes to Mental Health, and guns, it is my opinion they be banned from people who are a menace, to themselves(suicidal depression) or to others (schizophrenia), or any condition that manifests as a "Break From Reality".

Can anyone with a treated mental health illness break and cause harm? Yes. But to tell the truth, the people with untreated mental health issues far outweigh the ones that are treated, and bye and large they are the ones who murder people.

So is my PTSD a bar to buying a gun, not yet, is it a bar to owning a gun, it's possible that that will happen. Will I still have a gun reguardless? Yep.

Lots of REMFs can say they are vets and know little or nothing about the weapons they were issued. When the shooting starts I want every advantage I can get and high capacity mags are an advantage,

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I agree. I know several police officers that don't seem to be gun people. They are only familiar with their glock .40 cal. I have seen some freak out with a 1911 "cocked and locked". I would say that quite a few of them did not grow up with or around guns and their first contact was at the academy.

Well, I do know about the M-16A1, M-16A2, M-60, M-204, M-249 SAW. I qualified expert on all of them. Never got to qualify with pistols in the Army, as that was officer territory. I was also qualified on the M47 Dragon, and the M244 60MM mortar.

When we were doing EIB qualification, on the M-16A2 range, I qualified expert, and the unit wanted EVERYONE to qualify as expert. So after I qualified, they put me in the next lane over from people who didn't make it the first time around. My job was to shoot the targets that they missed so they made expert. Sound Familiar? As a range sergeant, tell me you never saw that. It is just how the Army works. Everything has to "Report" perfect, otherwise the officers ain't doing their job right.

I have to agree with you as well. Their is a VAST difference between target shooting and precision shooting in a conflict.

Then again, the more you practice, the more likely that muscle memory will kick in, and you will shoot effectively.

I'm sorry the whole premise of this thread is wrong and false..

There is no such thing as reasonable gun laws..Because it's all a matter of opinion and has little to do with reason..

It only has to do with a political agenda.

Destruction of the Constitution, little by little is the goal..

Gun Rights were taken in the 1930's, then again in 1968 and in 1986 and in 94..

All were said to be "reasonable", yet they've done nothing but disarm the law abiding citizen..

So from my view point anyone that cedes their 2A Right, doesn't truly believe in the 2A..

So when are the socialists/communists/fascists going to register their Free Speech?
Since the "pen is mightier than the sword" Their anti American words should have to be registered and limited to 10 words or less..

But of course it won't happen, but if allowed they will destroy all our Rights one by one and once the 2A is gone, there will be no way to defend the others..

So for all those who want "reasonable gun control" all I can say is:

May you get everything you wish for!

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You mean that you had a range for each type of rifle? The only difference between a M16Ai and aM16A2 is that the M16 A1 would fire a long burst instead of the 4 round burst. I also fired expert for 15 years with both the M16A1 and the M16A2 on the same range sometimes both at one time. I also qualified expert with a M60 and for a M204 and a Browning 50 caliber machine gun,. It was reported that everybody make expert on one occasion but when the IG got through only 1/2 of it stood.I also qualified with the IG several times with both types of rifles.

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

If we had criminal controls already available utilized properly , proper diagnosis of bad parenting instead of simply prescribing personality altering drugs to students and parents actually parenting to counter peer pressures , reasonable gun control would be restricted to heavy artillery, bazookas, etc and full automatic capable weapons only.
Most all semiautomatic versions of any weapon of personnel carried arms would be legal.

My generation grew up around firearms and we were often introduced to them in our per-adolescent years and taught both a healthy respect of the lethality of them and which arms we were allowed to fire under supervision.

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I am not as old as some here, but I to was taught the proper use of arms without having served. My father served in Korea. And he was extremely proud of his service. I was raised with loaded guns all around the house. His favorite saying about a loaded gun was " an unloaded gun is nothing but a fancy stick." I was taught not to touch a gun until I was trained and had his approval.

All that said to get to my point. I graduated from high school in the late 1980's, and we would duck hunt before school. The principal, vice principal, and several teachers knew we have our shotguns, ammo, and coolers with our ducks iced down in our cars or trucks. We would never have thought to use those guns on each other or administrators. Something has changed in the mindset of young people to cause these problems. Let us figure out the cause of the problem and stop trying to take my rights when I have done nothing wrong.

I suggest we start with the family unit and parenting. The family unit does not have to be married in the same house (but it does help) and we were disciplined by any adult that saw us being stupid and then I got 2 more whoopings at home after they called.

The fork does not eat the cake!

So, Rakkasan, you're willing to give away MY gun rights, because you've ALREADY decided that our federal and state laws do NOT apply to you?

Is anybody else bothered by this?

That's the way I taught my daughters. Even when they had friend over they would keep their friends from messing with any of the firearms.. Simply because they were taught that they weren't toys, but deadly tools is handled wrong.. At one point all of us had a LTCF (PA's version of a concealed carry license). The only one that doesn't now is the youngest, but then she is living in CA at this time. The oldest and the SIL are living in OK and OK accepts PA's LTCF..

Glad to see we weren't the only ones..

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Pennsylvania Constitution, Article 1 Section 21 "The Right of the Citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned"
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http://www.45thpacok.com

And as posted in another thread, the NY cops are already trying to get 15 round mags excepted from the recently passed law for their use. The cops think that to be safe, they need more than 7 rounds / mag. I agree with them even though I'm a fairly good shot at dangerous paper targets. I carry Springfield XDM so that I can have 18 rds available and not have to carry added mags.