Flash mob causes havoc at Walmart

Cliff · #41 07/17/12, 06:22 PM

The really scary thing, which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, is the mentality that's going on lately which is why these things are happening. Black people are angry at white people. Black youth especially. Media is trying to keep happenings like these quiet, you will never hear about them except for maybe on your local news. Maybe. But because of the internet and forums the news is getting out that these kinds of things are happening more and more. Some have been violent, some deadly. I'm afraid it's going to get very much worse before it gets better. So what now?

edcopp · #42 07/17/12, 06:23 PM

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I didn't catch what time this happened. How late at night were these kids out?? If it is 8 oclock at night versus 2 am, it somewhat changes how I judge the parents.

It could have been a lot worse. They were just throwing stuff around and taking video with their phones to show off later. But with the "mob mentality" in play, if it would have turned violent it could have been real bad with so many in the mob. If anybody tried to be a hero and take a couple of those kids by the collar I bet they would have gotten beaten to a pulp.

If these kids did come from a party broken up nearby, who in the world was having a party with over 300 people in attendance? And if the cops came and broke it up, why didn't they see that the kids didn't head home but to Wal Mart? More questions than answers for me.

If I would have been in that store, I would have looked for an exit and left, like thru lawn and garden or the back of the store "employees only" area if need be. Call the cops once I was in the clear, such as a block away in my car.

Two or three cops show up and bust up a party of 300 or so, and the somehow magically can baby sit each and every person for the rest of thi night; I don't think so.

Going out any door at Walmart will get you out. Most of them will also have the fire department on the way.

Ambereyes · #43 07/17/12, 06:26 PM

What now? I continue as always armed (legally+situational awareness).. Never if possible put yourself in a position that will necessitate defense, but if needed never flinch, it could mean the difference between life and death for you or a member of your family.

Ambereyes · #44 07/17/12, 06:28 PM

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Two or three cops show up and bust up a party of 300 or so, and the somehow magically can baby sit each and every person for the rest of thi night; I don't think so.

Going out any door at Walmart will get you out. Most of them will also have the fire department on the way.

Baby sit no, sit them in jail yeah.. Pepper spray will keep them busy for a while too. They won't feel like taking their destruction on the road. Time to put consequences to actions. No one should have to run from mob violence and that is all these morons are..

Cliff · #45 07/17/12, 06:33 PM

Adding to my above comment, has anybody else noticed the general increase in hostility? I tend to be friendly and smile at everyone, and speak if it's appropriate. In the last year especially I've really noticed that sometimes I just get a hostile look back from black people for my trouble. Not at work generally but definitely out in public. Even though I do live in the south, this is a noticeable change. People used to at least be polite if you made the effort. I'm not getting a good feeling about this situation.

Cliff · #46 07/17/12, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambereyes

What now? I continue as always armed (legally+situational awareness).. Never if possible put yourself in a position that will necessitate defense, but if needed never flinch, it could mean the difference between life and death for you or a member of your family.

Well my "what now" was more along the lines of how do we fix something that's that broken. Society wise. But the surviving thing is good too.

Ambereyes · #47 07/17/12, 07:10 PM

I think your what now is included in my answer, if these type of people had to fear repercussions they would be less likely to behave this way. Basically any person that has to run in a pack is a coward, they won't want to continue if they had to fear more people not putting up with them. IMHO..

MO_cows · #48 07/17/12, 07:34 PM

If there were really 300+ and they only sent two cops, well, that was a mistake. And not babysit, disperse the crowd. What they were sent to do.

I hope they can enhance the video and ID at least some of these kids and make them suffer some consequences.

Nevada · #49 07/17/12, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

The really scary thing, which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, is the mentality that's going on lately which is why these things are happening. Black people are angry at white people. Black youth especially. Media is trying to keep happenings like these quiet, you will never hear about them except for maybe on your local news. Maybe. But because of the internet and forums the news is getting out that these kinds of things are happening more and more. Some have been violent, some deadly. I'm afraid it's going to get very much worse before it gets better. So what now?

What now? Probably nothing. These kids were blowing off steam. It's over now. I doubt there was any real danger to anyone, it was just kids acting out.

That doesn't make it right, but that's what it sounds like happened.

JeffreyD · #50 07/17/12, 08:06 PM

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What now? Probably nothing. These kids were blowing off steam. It's over now. I doubt there was any real danger to anyone, it was just kids acting out.

That doesn't make it right, but that's what it sounds like happened.

That's got to be one of the stupidist shift the blame comments iv'e ever heard! If you were there, you would have feared for your life and you know it! Kids acting out. REALLY? Did you act this way? I don't think so. Why do you give them a pass? Thousands in damages and time wasted, just acting out, really? What caused them to "act out" and why? Great googly moogly!

Nevada · #51 07/17/12, 08:19 PM

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That's got to be one of the stupidist shift the blame comments iv'e ever heard!

I didn't shift the blame to anybody.

thesedays · #52 07/17/12, 08:37 PM

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That's got to be one of the stupidist shift the blame comments iv'e ever heard! If you were there, you would have feared for your life and you know it! Kids acting out. REALLY? Did you act this way? I don't think so. Why do you give them a pass? Thousands in damages and time wasted, just acting out, really? What caused them to "act out" and why? Great googly moogly!

Nevada was being snarky.

Trixie · #53 07/17/12, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Adding to my above comment, has anybody else noticed the general increase in hostility? I tend to be friendly and smile at everyone, and speak if it's appropriate. In the last year especially I've really noticed that sometimes I just get a hostile look back from black people for my trouble. Not at work generally but definitely out in public. Even though I do live in the south, this is a noticeable change. People used to at least be polite if you made the effort. I'm not getting a good feeling about this situation.

I haven't noticed that here, but then this community has always been almost family. For many years, it was 50/50 white/black. Half the blacks moved away when the illegals came in - but I have never felt hostility here -

'even though it is the South' - sorry, that kinda got to me.

Now, it may be different in the cities - I try to avoid cities as much as possible.

It is possible, though, that we are going to have some problems - I do hope not. That will be playing right into the hands of the government - that's what they have been working for for decades.

I also don't doubt the media is hiding a lot of this - they do that on a regular basis. We don't have a clue, really, to what is happening in this country.

Wayne02 · #54 07/17/12, 11:18 PM

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Baby sit no, sit them in jail yeah.. Pepper spray will keep them busy for a while too.

You had better bring the numbers for LEO to gain control on a situation where there is 300+ people because it will get ugly real fast, pepper spray or not. Even if 150 of the cowards run off right away it's still dicey if you don't have a quantity of LEO for the response.

Wonder how this would have played out if the 71 year old from the other story was in this walmart and opened fire with his .380. Escalate the situation and make it even more dangerous, or diffuse the situation and make it less dangerous?

As much as I dislike the surveillance society we have become, good video footage has proven effective in cases like this or other riot type situations. If people can be identified, they can be held accountable. The publicity and criminal charges end up negatively affecting their lives in several ways including employment and such. Word gets around that there are indeed consequences to their actions. Unfortunately, this is an after-the-fact method of holding criminals accountable but it's at least one method.

Old Vet · #55 07/18/12, 12:11 AM

this thing is not new. I used to supervise a guard company in the early 80's on weekends. I got a call from one of my guards at a Wendey's about this and was a few blocks away. When I go their they had broken down the door and trash the restaurant and had thrown food all over the place it continued outside on the parking lot. Just as I got their the cops showed up Me and the mangier tole them what happened and the cop went inside and told them to fix the damages and clean up the place if they did not they were going to jail. The owners son was involved and gave them a hard time but when I call his dad and tole him what happened he came down and and made sure they did what the cop said. We had a armed person at each door and would not them leave until we though they were through.

Cliff · #56 07/18/12, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Trixie

'even though it is the South' - sorry, that kinda got to me.

Why? There are a lot and I mean LOT of racist whites left in the south. Not especially conducive to everyone getting along. But like I said in the past everyone has at least almost always been polite if I've been friendly. Not anymore.

Laura Zone 5 · #57 07/18/12, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

The really scary thing, which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, is the mentality that's going on lately which is why these things are happening. Black people are angry at white people. Black youth especially. Media is trying to keep happenings like these quiet, you will never hear about them except for maybe on your local news. Maybe. But because of the internet and forums the news is getting out that these kinds of things are happening more and more. Some have been violent, some deadly. I'm afraid it's going to get very much worse before it gets better. So what now?

The first time I watched the video, I did not 'notice' they were all black. I did notice the NUMBER of kids, not the color.
I showed it to my kids, and at the end said "Now what do you do?" Seeing how they would react if THEY were in the store when this riot started.

Both of the kids noticed RIGHT away they were all black.
Interesting.

I don't understand the comment "black folks are angry at white folks".

That walmart is in a predominately black area.
It's the walmart in those kids neighborhood?
It's not like they rolled up into ------ville and acted stupid and rioted in that walmart?
They acted stupid and rioted in their own backyard?

The Media (print, tv, internet) Schools, Movies, and the like all perpetuate division between black and white. I has been this way since the 60's.

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Adding to my above comment, has anybody else noticed the general increase in hostility? I tend to be friendly and smile at everyone, and speak if it's appropriate. In the last year especially I've really noticed that sometimes I just get a hostile look back from black people for my trouble. Not at work generally but definitely out in public. Even though I do live in the south, this is a noticeable change. People used to at least be polite if you made the effort. I'm not getting a good feeling about this situation.

I have not noticed. I live in the midwest...so maybe my location explains it?

Darren · #58 07/18/12, 06:40 AM

I'm not sure a generation that has grown up with the level of violence these kids have seen are going to be redeemed. After thinking about it, as much as some may want to impose order, it was better that the mob was allowed to disperse on their own. AFAIK, no one was hurt.

Based on the violence and attacks on people in other cities, I have no doubt the incident could have escalated with deadly results. Trying to use a firearm to restore order would not have been wise. With that many in the mob, it's almost certain one of the kids had a gun.

Haven · #59 07/18/12, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne02

You had better bring the numbers for LEO to gain control on a situation where there is 300+ people because it will get ugly real fast, pepper spray or not. Even if 150 of the cowards run off right away it's still dicey if you don't have a quantity of LEO for the response.

This is true and it can happen in a split second.

I was once standing downtown in a large city at night for a fireworks event. The streets were packed with thousands of people. As I stood at an intersection to cross the road, I watched as a man walked down the center of the street going up to each car window. Traffic was totally backed up. As he approached the car in front of me stopped at a light that was filled with single women, they rolled up their window and he instantly started screaming and punched their windows out.

Random men from every corner of that intersection instantly converged on him, threw him down and started beating him as the women cowered in their car, stunned. It was like all hell broke loose in the few seconds the light was red.

Fortunately there were a lot of cops around at the event and they ran in shortly afterwards, or things could of got seriously out of hand. This was one incident that gave me faith that strangers will step in despite the shows on tv that always show bystanders doing nothing.

Ambereyes · #60 07/18/12, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren

I'm not sure a generation that has grown up with the level of violence these kids have seen are going to be redeemed. After thinking about it, as much as some may want to impose order, it was better that the mob was allowed to disperse on their own. AFAIK, no one was hurt.

Based on the violence and attacks on people in other cities, I have no doubt the incident could have escalated with deadly results. Trying to use a firearm to restore order would not have been wise. With that many in the mob, it's almost certain one of the kids had a gun.

OF course some of them were armed, but in just dispersing the mob they have been emboldened to continue their actions. No consequences and the mob grows more bold. Leaving them with the mentality that they have the power will only incite them to more violence. It will also be a lesson to other like minded individuals, do what you want cause there is no one to stop you..