Denying federal benefits to same-sex couples is unconstitutional

Because the alternative is unacceptable.

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Our government is unacceptable

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Letting the father live with his family is unacceptable?

The alternative is to let the mothers family take care of the child if the father won't. He will be forced to pay child suppport too. So, the government need not be involed at all, except for a few cases.

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In practice it seldom worked out that nicely.

I agree that the well-organized welfare system has changed families, probably not for the better. But it's not like we can go backwards. Simply put, the world is a more complicated place than it was 50 years ago.

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I can't get past the "Gay is not a race" crowd. Who is that and what does that statement meen?

Some GC posters have suggested that since sexual preference is not a race it's perfectly legal to persecute them.

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I think he means personal responsibility is unacceptable, as in making sure fathers take care of their offspring

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Nice stretch.
It's people like you who equate gays with the black struggles like sexual preference is a race.
You act like gay is an affliction, something that deserves special attention, special rights and a big boohoo from everybody.
You're gay, get over it and live your life without forcing it onto the schools and general public.

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You just made my point for me.

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I don't see any persecution here at all! I guess some will read it the way they want and call it persecution when the facts are being pointed out. Isn't that in Alinsky's book?

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Once you think about it is is also unconstitutional for me to marry my sister or first cousin?

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

"any government worthy of the name tries to promote societal good."

You tried to sneak in the assumption that gay marriage(or any other kind of non-traditional family) goes against "societal good". Can you prove that? I hope so, because if you can't, the whole argument kind of falls apart.

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Actually, in quite a few states you CAN marry your first cousin legally and have it recognized by the state.

As for your sister, if you want to marry her you can, but it is not something that is recognized by the state and is technically not legally allowed.

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And, Nevada, I know your smart enough to know that you haven't been paying into an annuity fund, but into a govt. run welfare program.... the money you/I "donate" does not go into a bank vault somewhere, but automatically goes out the door to current retirees. Would be nice if it WERE an annuity fund, similar to Peru's, where you can actually see how much money you have in the system, and (from what I've read) can get that money out, especially if a loved one dies before reaching retirement age.

I'm a good ten years out of SS's retirement age... seriously doubt it'll exist by then... not depending upon it, in the least.

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What you are describing in Peru is not an annuity, but a whole life program. Social security could be structured that way but it would be more expensive for participants. It's worth considering, but I don't think raising payroll taxes during a recession would be a popular idea.

It better be here 10 years from now. I signed up to start Social Security this summer. I expect to get it for the rest of my life.

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Name them!!!

Since I don't want anyone telling me who I should choose for a mate I try to do the same for other people.
Just can't understand why people think they have the right to choose for another person.
Wonder if those people would cry and whine if they were forced to accept someone other people chose for them?

Was watching that Gypsy show last night and some gypsies from WVa had to travel to Va to get married since they were 1st cousins.

Inbred marriage is illegal in West Virginia; whoda thunkit?

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" Was watching that Gypsy show last night and some gypsies from WVa had to travel to Va to get married since they were 1st cousins.
Inbred marriage is illegal in West Virginia; whoda thunkit? "

But is the Law Enforced ?