Accurate Statistic OR Maybe Not So Much

TNHermit · #21 05/28/12, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

LOL.

Isn't it a bit presumptuous of you, to think, thas since I dare express "Liberal views", that I couldn't possbily be a U.S. Military Veteran, myself?

What did the retirees actually "lose" in those 20 years? They got paid. They got fed. They worked on the most sophisticated technology in the world. They raised their families. They earned college degrees. Many (of the smart ones) have Military Contractor connections, that get them a great gig, right after retiree separation.

Granted, when they go to war, it certainly separates them from the Civilian world, but otherwise, Military life is not always that bad, at least what I saw. Many actually enjoy Military life.

My Military experience saw "lifers", many who who were outstanding and a true inspiration in leadership. Many other's literally "counted the days" to retirement, even years away. There were basiclly there, doing minimal work, grousing constantly, not even bothering with promotion. Some even faking ailments to get disability, in addition to their Military retirement.

Like I stated earlier, our true Military Leaders, are there, because they want to be there, not because they are looking forward to lifetime BX access, courtesy of taxpayers.

I want a strong Military, too, but carte blanche spending doesn't necessarily guarentee one, especially since we are borrowing our Military budget from foreign countries.

Nothing presumptuous at all. It was simply a question. I have no idea when you served or if you did serve you didn't say then or now. You may want me to assume.
i can tell you it was no fun for those of us that were drafted. Who were portrayed as enemies worse than the cong. I can tell you it was no fun to lose my family, my son, and him to lose his family
We now have a draft free service (I'm not in favor of) and if there are those that look to it to make a career and retire what is the problem. I haven't looked but I bet if you compare salaries and retirement to the money he have wasted fighting left wing style wars there is a big difference and that money could have been saved.
I don't even have to really give you any examples except for the roman empire and what happened with them after they got lazy with the military and farmed it out to their enemies. fact is its pretty well known through out history when the military goes the country goes.

When we quit fighting a lw style war then come talk to me about cuts. And I'm not saying we can't cut. there are notable conservatives who think we can do a trillion dollars but not the way the left wants it done. And I might add the right got sucked into with all this "lets compromise,be nice,can't we all get along" BS

plowjockey · #22 05/28/12, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TNHermit

Nothing presumptuous at all. It was simply a question. I have no idea when you served or if you did serve you didn't say then or now. You may want me to assume.
i can tell you it was no fun for those of us that were drafted. Who were portrayed as enemies worse than the cong. I can tell you it was no fun to lose my family, my son, and him to lose his family
We now have a draft free service (I'm not in favor of) and if there are those that look to it to make a career and retire what is the problem. I haven't looked but I bet if you compare salaries and retirement to the money he have wasted fighting left wing style wars there is a big difference and that money could have been saved.
I don't even have to really give you any examples except for the roman empire and what happened with them after they got lazy with the military and farmed it out to their enemies. fact is its pretty well known through out history when the military goes the country goes.

When we quit fighting a lw style war then come talk to me about cuts. And I'm not saying we can't cut. there are notable conservatives who think we can do a trillion dollars but not the way the left wants it done. And I might add the right got sucked into with all this "lets compromise,be nice,can't we all get along" BS

Even though, I was only in grade school, I agree with you 100%, that being drafted into the Vietnam and the Military life, that went with it, was a completely different animal.

Believe it or not, I'm am for taking care of Veterans, but it seems that maybe up 40 years of retiree benefits, for 2 million Servicemen, is a big strain on our already bloated budget.

TNHermit · #23 05/28/12, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Even though, I was only in grade school, I agree with you 100%, that being drafted into the Vietnam and the Military life, that went with it, was a completely different animal.

Believe it or not, I'm am for taking care of Veterans, but it seems that maybe up 40 years of retiree benefits, for 2 million Servicemen, is a big strain on our already bloated budget.

Like I said. When we fight a war like a war then we can talk about benefits. Get the political correctness and all the rest of the police action BS and what ever out first. Lets see what we save. No one has posted what part of the military budget is benefits. Maybe you would like to be the first.

plowjockey · #24 05/29/12, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TNHermit

Like I said. When we fight a war like a war then we can talk about benefits. Get the political correctness and all the rest of the police action BS and what ever out first. Lets see what we save. No one has posted what part of the military budget is benefits. Maybe you would like to be the first.

Yiikes!

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The cost of pensions and health care for active and retired troops continues to expand, draining more than $100 billion a year from the Pentagon budget and the national debt, which together fund the programs. If left unchanged, military retirement costs are expected to grow to $217 billion by 2034, according to the Defense Times.

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TNHermit · #25 05/29/12, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Yiikes!

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LOL LOL

That is all?? WERE 16 TRILLION in Debt. figure the percentage. LOL

That is .013 percent of the budget. I suggest you get on another kick

plowjockey · #26 05/29/12, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TNHermit

LOL LOL

That is all?? WERE 16 TRILLION in Debt. figure the percentage. LOL

That is .013 percent of the budget. I suggest you get on another kick

Since we are talking about "accurate statictics"....

Our debt load is not the U.S. budget, which for 2012, is $2.4 trillion.

2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Using a calculator, would be 4.1%, of the annual U.S. budget, every year which is slated to double in 20 years.

This is not an insignicant percentage, for those concerned with our debt.

ET1 SS · #27 05/29/12, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Unless one dies rather quickly, after retirement, most will use much much more money, in SS payments and Medicare benefits, than they ever paid in.

Somebody else has to cover the difference, just like all the other programs.

Actually I have seen folks do the math on this and for folks born pre-'55 they would get more back from SS.

Folks from the late 50s should about break even.

Folks born in the 60's or alter, will get less than what they put in.

ET1 SS · #28 05/29/12, 05:12 PM

Caulk me up as being one of those military retirees. I was forced out at 20. With my $1490/month I bought land, built a house and I am now building a farm.

Thankfully there are areas in the USA where you can support a family, buy a homestead and prosper on less than $1500/month

SquashNut · #29 05/29/12, 05:21 PM

Could some one show comparisons between military benifits and those paid out to those who have never been in the military in the way of food stamps, welfare and medical? Alot of these people have never hardly held down a job let alone did a thing for the security of this country.

watcher · #30 05/29/12, 05:32 PM

Are or are not all of those thing paid from the US Treasury? Anyone who is paid by the government is being supported by the tax paying public.

plowjockey · #31 05/29/12, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

Actually I have seen folks do the math on this and for folks born pre-'55 they would get more back from SS.

Folks from the late 50s should about break even.

Folks born in the 60's or alter, will get less than what they put in.

Are you including Medicare benefits, which are the real budget monster?

SF recently recieved two artificial knees, at $50 grand each, paid for by Medicare.

TNHermit · #32 05/29/12, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Since we are talking about "accurate statictics"....

Our debt load is not the U.S. budget, which for 2012, is $2.4 trillion.

2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Using a calculator, would be 4.1%, of the annual U.S. budget, every year which is slated to double in 20 years.

This is not an insignicant percentage, for those concerned with our debt.

Lets do it your way and take the 4.1 off the 45% (after SS is removed) and that leaves 40+%. As you can see there are way more important things to worry about. And I am pretty sure that the 15%(self employed) i paid in for 50 years I am not going to use up.

plowjockey · #33 05/29/12, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TNHermit

Lets do it your way and take the 4.1 off the 45% (after SS is removed) and that leaves 40+%. As you can see there are way more important things to worry about. And I am pretty sure that the 15%(self employed) i paid in for 50 years I am not going to use up.

Get some "new" knees and you'll get $100 grand of your money back.

ET1 SS · #34 05/29/12, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

Are or are not all of those thing paid from the US Treasury? Anyone who is paid by the government is being supported by the tax paying public.

And many of us do not pay income taxes.