Global warming, green living all that crap

TNHermit · #21 05/17/12, 08:40 AM

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I bet this is the best you can do.

As far as screwed up enviro,commie liberal thinking I'm just getting the hang of it. So right now its the best but I'm practicing

sevenmmm · #22 05/17/12, 08:41 AM

This is the same old binary message. An either or kinda thing.

Why don't you challenge yourself and actually try to figure out what is going on around you. My suggection is you start by studying what benzene is:

Benzene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heritagefarm · #23 05/17/12, 08:47 AM

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People, People!! Listen UP

The idea is to NOT create it. Just like were forcing industry to not create it, Just because we have the system to deal with it is not good enough. The goal is not to create it in the first place. Is it that hard to grasp??

Sulphur dioxide is made at the source; of burning coal for electricity. That is why we have filters on the smokestacks. How do you recommend we make sulphur-free coal?
And FYI I am an environmentalist Republican.

NoClue · #24 05/17/12, 09:11 AM

As usual, you miss the point of everyone you disagree with.

What environmentalist are opposed to is the production of unneccesary waste, and it's improper disposal. Crap is a fact of life, and not, by definition, any more toxic than the corpses of all the people you wish would voluntarily die would be. Manure = compost, and while most of us don't want to, and most of us shouldn't (based on the industrial swill that most people consume) compost our food crops with human waste, in many historical cultures all waste, human or otherwise is used extensively - or it was until US diplomatic pressure forced them into becoming wards of Monsanto, et al. China, for example, used human waste extensively to sustain the crops which sustained it for millenia (See F.H. King's "Farmers of Forty Centuries", published in 1911 for an American perspective).

Natural waste isn't part of the problem and has long been established as part of the circle of life. The problems come in, whether it's human waste or animal waste, the way it's handled.

TNHermit · #25 05/17/12, 09:26 AM

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As usual, you miss the point of everyone you disagree with.

What environmentalist are opposed to is the production of unneccesary waste, and it's improper disposal. Crap is a fact of life, and not, by definition, any more toxic than the corpses of all the people you wish would voluntarily die would be. Manure = compost, and while most of us don't want to, and most of us shouldn't (based on the industrial swill that most people consume) compost our food crops with human waste, in many historical cultures all waste, human or otherwise is used extensively - or it was until US diplomatic pressure forced them into becoming wards of Monsanto, et al. China, for example, used human waste extensively to sustain the crops which sustained it for millenia (See F.H. King's "Farmers of Forty Centuries", published in 1911 for an American perspective).

Natural waste isn't part of the problem and has long been established as part of the circle of life. The problems come in, whether it's human waste or animal waste, the way it's handled.

What you don't understand is your idea that the first thing to do is "WEre all gonna die" pass laws and set up govt entities. Force people into doing things they know nothing about and make huge mistakes costing tax payers huge amounts of money and genereally make life miserable for all

What my people think is hey, This seems to be a problem. Lets get some investors, scientist,entrepreneurs together and solve it, create new industry, new jobs and technologies and keep govt out of it. Let it pay for itself and then some

sevenmmm · #26 05/17/12, 09:28 AM

Actually, in the context of the origination post to this thread, there is no specific topic in which to converse over. Sure, it could be a simple troll to raise hackels. No doubt that it is, and thats ok.

So maybe next time you want to raise hackels, TN, you should start such a thread in the political corner, as that is where the imaginary stuff ought to be vetted.

That is all this is right? Just more knee-jerk binary - them against us - Republicanism ideology?

sevenmmm · #27 05/17/12, 09:31 AM

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What you don't understand is your idea that the first thing to do is "WEre all gonna die" pass laws and set up govt entities. Force people into doing things they know nothing about and make huge mistakes costing tax payers huge amounts of money and genereally make life miserable for all

What my people think is hey, This seems to be a problem. Lets get some investors, scientist,entrepreneurs together and solve it, create new industry, new jobs and technologies and keep govt out of it. Let it pay for itself and then some

Can you type for certain nobody is going to be effected?

Oh, so you rely on hope and faith? Sorry, but that isn't any different than hoping for space aliens to come to Earth to show us the way to nirvana.

MichaelK! · #28 05/17/12, 09:36 AM

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It occurred to me today that if people are really serious about all that stuff then the first place they should be eliminating toxic waste is them selves. The should eat of what ever it takes so they don't have to go to the bathroom. After all human waste is toxic.

Next should be getting animals eating right so they don't produce waste. Once we accomplish that we can start on the other stuff.

TNH, you're a visionary leader that has hit the nail right on the head. But, you need to lead us in this endeavor. Start by experimenting with your own body to determine the perfect diet for us! Then, you can get back to the rest of us and let us know how to do it!

TNHermit · #29 05/17/12, 09:54 AM

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TNH, you're a visionary leader that has hit the nail right on the head. But, you need to lead us in this endeavor. Start by experimenting with your own body to determine the perfect diet for us! Then, you can get back to the rest of us and let us know how to do it!

Sorry
I'm no enviro,commie liberal type. I am just learning like I said to think like one.

You may think I am weird kidding or what ever but Sawmill hit on it when he talked about hooking up cows to some kind of fart machine. Well its not a new idea. Some crackpot put it forward few years back. And there is the sustainable population movement out there. The abortion people and the like. Never mind that the population of the entire world could fit in NJ

read what I said in my last post that what is visionary. Especially to the Commie enviro iberal wack jobs

sevenmmm · #30 05/17/12, 10:00 AM

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Sorry
I'm no enviro,commie liberal type. I am just learning like I said to think like one.

You may think I am weird kidding or what ever but Sawmill hit on it when he talked about hooking up cows to some kind of fart machine. Well its not a new idea. Some crackpot put it forward few years back. And there is the sustainable population movement out there. The abortion people and the like. Never mind that the population of the entire world could fit in NJ

read what I said in my last post that what is visionary. Especially to the Commie enviro iberal wack jobs

No. The real issue is you have taken the corporate Republican bait hook, line, and sinker. It is now to the point you have been brain-washed to work against your best interests.

I call it black magic.

NoClue · #31 05/17/12, 11:07 AM

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What you don't understand is your idea that the first thing to do is "WEre all gonna die" pass laws and set up govt entities. Force people into doing things they know nothing about and make huge mistakes costing tax payers huge amounts of money and genereally make life miserable for all

What my people think is hey, This seems to be a problem. Lets get some investors, scientist,entrepreneurs together and solve it, create new industry, new jobs and technologies and keep govt out of it. Let it pay for itself and then some

Sorry, you've confused me with someone else. You've never once seen me advocate the government take over anything. Go eat some more of your BPA corn.

TNHermit · #32 05/17/12, 12:15 PM

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Sorry, you've confused me with someone else. You've never once seen me advocate the government take over anything. Go eat some more of your BPA corn.

Sorry, don't use it Who do you think Monsanto is in bed with same thing different name.
While you have a point it wasn't what I was talking about. you have to think liberal commie eviro

NoClue · #33 05/17/12, 01:02 PM

Monsanto and the other large corporations own the government. Not a single regulation gets in acted that the they don't want enacted. Quite often, the industry itself wrote the regulations and handed them over to the government to enforce. Then they blame your "commie, enviro liberals" for their woes. It's a great scam.

Because I care about the environment, most especially the food I eat, the government is the last institution I'd look to actually get something done.

TNHermit · #34 05/17/12, 01:09 PM

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Monsanto and the other large corporations own the government. Not a single regulation gets in acted that the they don't want enacted. Quite often, the industry itself wrote the regulations and handed them over to the government to enforce. Then they blame your "commie, enviro liberals" for their woes. It's a great scam.

Because I care about the environment, most especially the food I eat, the government is the last institution I'd look to actually get something done.

You evidently then believe in a personal moral code. That would make you an individual. That is not permitted in the enviro,commie lib movement. Its not fair

NoClue · #35 05/17/12, 01:23 PM

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You evidently then believe in a personal moral code. That would make you an individual. That is not permitted in the enviro,commie lib movement. Its not fair

I know quite a lot of environmentalist hippy types who believe just the opposite - they they are the true individualists and all those buying into the corporatist propaganda are the real sheep. In fact, I can't think of a single one of them, I know a great number of them, that believes the government is on their side and is part of the solution.

Heritagefarm · #36 05/17/12, 02:01 PM

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I know quite a lot of environmentalist hippy types who believe just the opposite - they they are the true individualists and all those buying into the corporatist propaganda are the real sheep. In fact, I can't think of a single one of them, I know a great number of them, that believes the government is on their side and is part of the solution.

That's because the government is embedded with corporation's desires. The distinction between corporations and government is often quite blurry. However, we do think that the government could be part of the solution IF they could disengage from companies, do their job, and keep them in check.

Harry Chickpea · #37 05/17/12, 05:13 PM

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It occurred to me today that if people are really serious about all that stuff then the first place they should be eliminating toxic waste is them selves. The should eat of what ever it takes so they don't have to go to the bathroom. After all human waste is toxic. Just think of all the paper and trees it would save. purer water , less disease which means lower medical costs. The benefits are innumerable. And those that are serious should take the first step of eliminating toilet paper, toilets and septic or what ever system. the should buy a hazardous waste system and use that. and leaves or something. Then they can come pick it up, decontaminate it and compost it..

Next should be getting animals eating right so they don't produce waste. Once we accomplish that we can start on the other stuff.

You funny.

You haven't thought it through though.

Do a search on "Janism" The ethical environmentalist is duty-bound to kill himself as soon as possible. I'm not making that up. There are Janist "saints" who have done just that, rather than hurt other living creatures. The extremist environmentalists (more accurately eco-nuts) are just chicken.

The whole scene is right along in lines with the Monty Python "I'm not worthy" sketch.

I try not to confuse eco-nuts with people who just don't like to waste resources and don't want to get things covered with ==== when there is no reason to.

Raven12 · #38 05/17/12, 05:44 PM

Is this why guys take reading material into the bathroom?

TNHermit · #39 05/17/12, 06:13 PM

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You funny.

You haven't thought it through though.

Do a search on "Janism" The ethical environmentalist is duty-bound to kill himself as soon as possible. I'm not making that up. There are Janist "saints" who have done just that, rather than hurt other living creatures. The extremist environmentalists (more accurately eco-nuts) are just chicken.

The whole scene is right along in lines with the Monty Python "I'm not worthy" sketch.

I try not to confuse eco-nuts with people who just don't like to waste resources and don't want to get things covered with ==== when there is no reason to.

The whole thing is really not about environmentalism. I will put mine up against anybody. the premise is absurd. The problem is what I said in another thread and what No Clue alluded (sp ) to. That is the possession of a personal moral code.
Nobody with a moral code goes out to destroy anything. I won't speak for today's mega farms but when we farmed dad all ready believed you didn't need a lot of chemicals on the ground if you rotated the crops. His yields were always within a bushel or two of the "modern" farmers. Without the expense.

What got me really riled up is the housing and construction industry is full on ensconced in this crap. Its not because its any better for the most part. But they want customers. All the enviro flake-board, truss joists and stuff will not be around in a hundred years like houses are now. If they make 50 they will be lucky. But they have jumped in hook line and sinker on this stuff.

But the enviro movement is all about everyone being told what to do by the government. running our lives just as Owe is putting in place and we see now. If you check on those solar companies and wind companies that go belly up they leave behind HUGE environmental problems and produce nothing but debt and loser investors.
I set last night watching one of those screwey bulbs short out. turned it on and sparks a flyin. Then they quit seemed fine then a little bit more sparks. i was laughing my butt off. What a fraud they are. I took it out in the yard where the water runs down to the pond and busted it. so all the mercury goes down hill.

I suppose I will be arrested soon.

sevenmmm · #40 05/17/12, 06:29 PM

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Is this why guys take reading material into the bathroom?

I bet TN has a computer in there.