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Old 04/15/12, 08:51 AM
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Recently 3 city police, in uniform and driving police cars, were arrested for protecting and escorting drug shipments.
One police officer was arrested in another state transporting a load of drugs and tried to use their badge to get away with it.
One of the most well known attorneys in the U.S. was convicted of bribing judges, he is now in jail along with his son and several other attorneys.
One well known judge, they made a movie about him, was convicted of taking bribes.
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Old 04/15/12, 12:47 PM
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We live in a culture of corruption and nothing can be trusted.
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Its a goofy system.... I have never been wrongly accused of any crime.... but due to the quirky system I have gotten out of several "jams" without problems.
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Old 04/15/12, 05:33 PM
 
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Not even a little bit.
Just look at The state of ILL.
At one point over half of the men on death row could be shown to be wrongly convicted.
If you thnk its any better for smaller crimes your kidding yourself.
Any individual who is being held on death row, who is known not to be guilty; is nothing more than an unwritten paycheck for some lawyer. When there is a slow day the lawyer can punch the timeclock (file a motion) and start the cash flow; at the expense of the taxpayer.
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Old 04/15/12, 08:23 PM
 
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the system does work.

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Well, yes and no. They were indeed caught and sentenced. However, there were many decent folks who spent YEARS trying to get anybody in the state judicial system to do anything about this blatant criminal behavior. The system ignored it until the feds. finally stepped in. In the mean time many young lives were destroyed, including several suicides. Jail time and fines are hugely inadequate in this case. A public hanging is what should of happened.
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Old 04/15/12, 10:13 PM
 
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Don't trust them altogether but they do some needed service. Sure don't want any involvement with the police. I Called awhile back when someone dumped a pickup load of trash on me with bank statements, utility bills and such.( Landfill is 5 miles away).
They said they would come out and never showed.
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Old 04/15/12, 10:29 PM
 
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I trust them as far as I can throw them. You are as innocent as your wallet is deep!
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Old 04/15/12, 11:05 PM
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I told someone the other day that I'd rather take my chances with a pack of rabid pitbulls than our "justice" system. No I don't trust it.
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I've got to see a good bit of justice here in the last year. Most was fair. Even more than fair. What I saw a lot of was incompetence. Lawyer, judges the whole system. To have that level of idiocy does not bode well for our country. It is an overly expensive bureaucratic petty circle jerk. Good thing our politicians have best interest at heart, or we could be in serious trouble.
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Old 04/16/12, 01:45 AM
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I used to date a girl who was deathly afraid of firearms. She would go into conniptions if you tried to get her to just hold one. She ended up marrying a cop in Orangeburg, SC. A few years later, she shot herself.
On another note; if you are ever asked to answer some questions by the police, you need a lawyer. Shut up, don't say anything other than request a layer. Many Innocent people are in prison because they just wanted to let the police know they were innocent and answered questions. Ever seen My Cousin Venny? That is how it really works.
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Our court system is very corrupt. Everyone should go to youtube and watch "Dont talk to police". I insisted my kids watch it.
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Old 04/16/12, 02:32 AM
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the system does work.

Ex-judge given 28-year sentence
August 12, 2011 | By Michael Rubinkam, Associated Press
SCRANTON, Pa.
- A former judge was ordered yesterday to spend nearly three decades in prison for his role in a
massive bribery scandal that prompted the state's high court to toss thousands of juvenile
convictions and left lasting scars on the children who appeared in his courtroom and their
hapless families. Mark Ciavarella Jr., former Luzerne County judge, was sentenced to 28 years
in federal prison for taking a $1 million bribe from the builder of a pair of juvenile detention centers
in a case that became known as "kids for cash.


Pa. judge gets 17 ½ years in kickbacks case
September 24, 2011 | Associated Press
SCRANTON, Pa.
- A former judge who orchestrated a massive kickback scheme involving for-profit youth detention
centers was sentenced yesterday to 17 ½ years in federal prison, closing a major chapter on a scandal
that prosecutors said shook Pennsylvania's judicial system "to its very foundation. " Appearing in
a federal courtroom in Scranton, Michael Conahan, 59, former Luzerne County president judge,
apologized to the incarcerated youths, the legal community, and the public for his role in the notorious "kids for cash" case.
A truly just sentence would have been life without parole in the nastiest, filthiest prison in the land. One kid got so upset he committed suicide, and he was innocent.

As it is, that judge will probably get into some cushy club fed and be out in 5 for good behavior. He probably sheltered the money in an off shore account and will get that when he gets out too.
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You can only trust the system if you have a lot of money or power. Just the way it is.
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Old 04/16/12, 06:37 AM
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Take a look at these famous people who get busted over and over again and get a slap on the wrist. Look at this DNA project where people found guilty before DNA existed, then they do the DNA test and they are innocent. Those DNA project people have estimated that about 20% of all people in prison are innocent of the charges.

Most of the time you get an ambitious prosecutor and he tries to make a case seem like a 'big bust' to get his name in the paper and rack up prosecutions. Just being charged with a crime is the road to financial ruin whether you are found guilty or not anyway.
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Old 04/16/12, 06:49 AM
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Not at all.
I have ZERO faith in the judicial system... at least where I live.
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On the most part I do trust them, and yes they are human and make mistakes . The county DA just lives down the road a couple miles, and I do know him. I know a bunch of the local state troppers, and many of the local police and sheriffs dept. On the most part they are good guys, some get a little big for their own pants, but I don`t take crap from any of them. I know more about the legal system than most of them do, so I have not many worries. I also was on our local Grand Jury for awhile and was an eye opening time for sure. So just walk the straight and narrow and don`t make waves and they don`t even know your alive. > Thanks Marc
See therein lies the problem.
Most everybody in the system has a lot of pressure on them to convict.
You see the cops need to get a suspect otherwise folks dont think they are doing thier job BUT they justifiy it with He is a bad guy and besides the States attorny Knows more than I do if he isnt guilty he will turn him loose.
BUT the states attuorny cant turn him lose or the voters wont elect him again. he thinks the cops were on the ground they know things he doesnt and besides the judge knows more than I do if he isnt guilty he will turn him loose
But the judge has the same problem. he has to get reelected besides he thinks the cops and states atturney know more than he does besides the jury doesnt have to get elected so if he isnt guilty they will turn him loose.
BUT the jury doesnt have a clue whats going on. besides that they cant go home and tell everyone they turned killer loose. Besides If the guy wasnt guilty the cops states atturny and judge would have turned him loose
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Old 04/16/12, 07:25 PM
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Trust but verify.
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Trust it? NO.
I tell all my friends and my BF especially - if someone (I don't care if its your best buddy) comes to you and talks drugs, stolen goods, whatever, you turn around and WALK AWAY and say "NO". You don't know who is setting you up nowadays - your best bud could be on the hook for a drug bust and willing to take you down with him to save his own backside.
Especially if you are Black, Hispanic or other non-White. Its truly frightening how the justice system is run on money now and lots of it.
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Old 04/17/12, 10:57 AM
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Trust it? NO.
I tell all my friends and my BF especially - if someone (I don't care if its your best buddy) comes to you and talks drugs, stolen goods, whatever, you turn around and WALK AWAY and say "NO". You don't know who is setting you up nowadays - your best bud could be on the hook for a drug bust and willing to take you down with him to save his own backside.
Especially if you are Black, Hispanic or other non-White. Its truly frightening how the justice system is run on money now and lots of it.
While different, this reminded me of this one time.....

Sitting in a buddies front yard on a Friday night having a few beers. Guy pulls up, walks over and he knows my name. Asks me if I want to buy some night-vision goggles. I have no idea who he is and tell him to beat it. He insists we've met and it's cool. I insist I have no idea who he is and that I'll whoop his if he doesn't take a walk.

The neighbor thinks he smells a deal. This kid is hard up for money and is selling night-vision at a discount. They go behind the house to talk. Sale is made and the kid leaves, the cops come and try to arrest me for buying stolen goods. Opps, wasn't me meat-head. I get cuffed and stuffed in the car while they go looking for the goods. (No, I didn't rat on the neighbor, who's sitting inside his home looking out the window.)

They bring the kid back to ID me so they can start searching the house and grounds for the stolen goods. This I believe was because they'd hoped to find something else. When the kid comes back he explains they got the wrong guy, the neighbor bought it, that guy in the window. They all step to the side and argue for a few minutes, the police go retrieve the goggles, I'm uncuffed and they leave....

No, I don't trust the courts or the cops.
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Old 04/17/12, 11:22 AM
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No. Not really.

Basically if you have enough money and get the right lawyer, especially one who knows the judge personally you can get out of anything.

Right now the judicial system is tilted too far in favor of people who have the money.
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