Put An End For Looking Out For Neighbors

Yep let the law enforce the rules like thy do every day. That is why no body ever has a burglary or is killed any more the law is their to enforce the rules and they do such a good job that nobody needs to worry about it just call 911 and wait until they show up.

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Once more you repeat it but fail to back it up

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The first eyewitness did exactly that just before the shot was fired

It's in his statement

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Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News

Read more here: Prosecutors: George Zimmerman ‘profiled’ Trayvon Martin - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

Lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda would not discuss what other evidence prosecutors have against the neighborhood watch volunteer, except to say it is enough to support the first-degree felony charge

Read more here: Prosecutors: George Zimmerman ‘profiled’ Trayvon Martin - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

I help my actual neighbors, all the time, when they ask for help. Farmer next door appreciates a phone call if we see anyone out around his fields (we see some of his fields that he can't). Neighbor on the other side appreciate having his driveway plowed (it's getting a little hard for him these days). I can watch my neighbors properties from my house. If I see something suspicious I give them a call. If nobody answers I'd likely call the police, who are trained to deal with these situations.

What I wouldn't do is grab my gun, jump in my truck, and go looking for trouble.

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Funny, but her FIRST statement wasn't worded that way at all

She's been coached, and is adding details, along with changing the order in which they spoke, and the order in which MARTIN'S comments to her were made:

When she told it on March 20, it was totally different
Notice the order in which they speak:

Lawyer: Slain teen's girlfriend heard altercation

This is about the THIRD revision to her story

She is obviously being told what to say and HOW to word it, and is too biased to be a reliable witness.

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This is a slight change of subject, but I'm surprised how much this story has captured the interest of this forum. I mean we are homesteaders and farmers, or at least wannabe homesteaders and farmers. I live in the country so I don't have to deal with this kind of nonsense. I don't like a nosy government, nor do I like nosy neighbors. I mostly take care of myself, and like I said, I help neighbors when asked. Otherwise I mostly leave them alone too.

I can't believe that this is something many of us know much about. Truth be told, I could go to the nearest town and walk the streets at 2am in perfect safety. If I couldn't I'd be living in the wrong place. Yeah, the college kids can get kinda rowdy, but killings are extremely rare. The last killing was a murder/suicide with a husband and his ex.

I guess I'm mostly thankful that I don't have to make the kinds of choices that Zimmerman and Martin made that day.

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I live about 15 miles south of Jackson, Ms.
There hasn't been a week go by that there hasn't been a murder, sometimes several. There are parts of the city that the police will not go to.
Dead bodies are pretty easy to find if a person wants to find one.
Just this week they found a couple.
One was burning along side of the street. Another had lain beside the street for over a week.
Where I live it is different. I do not even have a lock on my doors, couldn't lock them if I wanted to.
Jackson is over 90% colored. Where I live it is less than 5%.
We have very few crimes, Jackson has one of the highest crime rates in the U.S.

Big Rockpile, you were a true Good Samaritan! It was so kind of you to help protect everyone, especially the tied dog. Dear Lord, please make people be kinder to animals.

It helps if you have a lead chunker with you when trying to help someone... stopping evil with only 'kindness' is a recipe for getting an derriere whoopin'. ...also helps out if there's only one official story.

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Concur!
If there's to be only one side of the story, I want it to be mine!

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Didn't that Zimmerman guy just harass that kid who wasn't doing anything wrong? Didn't he end up killing the kid!?

How is he a 'good sammaritan'? This episode won't stop me from helping others. If some kid is being chased down by a gun wielding nutjob, I'll do whatever I can to help without getting myself killed.

Beating someone's head into a sidewalk is generally considered "wrong"

The "kid" had a known history of possession of stolen goods and possession of drugs.
Any true criminal record he may have had would be sealed since he was under 18, so there may be a lot more we don't know about him

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One simple thing would, or could, have saved much trouble in several of the instances mentioned in this thread. Taking pictures, or better yet, video, of suspicious or bad behaviour or outright lawless behaviour would settle what was going on and who was involved. Nearly all cell phones have photo and video capabilty now, and most digital camers will take vid also.



Zimmermans poor judgement doesn't make him a nut job, nor was he "chasing him down", he was following him and asking what he was doing there. Owning or even carrying a gun also doesnt mean he was "wielding" it (or make him a nut job either). Those are judgemental and inflamatory comments, and don't help the discussion in any constructive way.

I agree that pepper would have helped in several situations brought up in this thread. There's a time and place for lethal force, but not every single instance of social unpleasantness or interpersonal crisis resolution requires it. It's well to be prepared for those extreme times, and I have no problem with folks carrying guns whenever legal and they are not in fact nut cases (there are laws prohibiting true nut cases from owning arms or getting carry permits) but a gun is not the answer in every instance.


I live in an area that has neraly zero violent crime, and not all that much property crime. Many folks dont lock their houses or vehicles, even when in town. Most will look out for others, on the road or around their homes. I'm glad there hasn't been the sort of degradation of caring and respect for neighbors, and pessimism that so many other places has experienced.

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I don't know about the fellow in Florida, whether he used "sound" judgment or not... I guess God knows...and I hope the jury can determine the truth. Those who are put in the position of living in fear, though, sometimes don't make the best decisions.

The sh*%@ thing about all of this, is that there are those of us who would jump in to help someone without giving it a second thought. We were taught that standard by our parents and our belief in right and wrong. Now, even though we still jump in, we hesitate and wonder if we are going to be sued or put our family in danger, or get arrested because we weren't "tolerant" of someone else's abusive behavior. It is a sad commentary on the times.

Doesn't Zimmerman have a criminal past and a history of calling 911 about 46 times within a few years? Complaints ranged from open garage doors to stray dogs.That doesn't seem like sane behavior. If the kid's records are sealed, then how do we know about a 'history of drug possession and stolen goods'?

Beating someone's head into a sidewalk is about as wrong as shooting somebody....depends on the circumstances. We so know that he was chasing the kid, the cops told him not to but he ignored them. The kid told whoever he was talking to that some weird was following him.

Not sure why you put the word "kid" into quotations, what is your point?...17 years old is a kid in most people's book.

I think his criminal history, his history of calling 911 46 times over open garage doors and stray dogs, the fact that he followed the kid after the police told him not to...all point to him not acting rationally. Thats why I referred to him as a nut job, most people don't go out toting their pistol and harass strangers on the street

Unless I don't have my facts straight, that is my understanding of what happened, if I'm wrong in any of the facts let me know.

Yes, you are wrong and do not have the facts straight.

If after all that has been posted, the police report, the eye witnessess accounts, and the evidence, you still don't have the facts straight it has to be because you would rather not have the facts straight.

Since you couldn't refute any of the facts that I listed, but simply chose to attack me personally, I'll take that to mean that this is an emotional issue for you rather than a rational one.

No, not a personal attack.
There have been many postings of web sites that contain the original police reports.
It shows the evidence and that there were three witnesses. The witnesses all told the same story. Their stories agreed with Zimmerman's story which agreed with the evidence.

Zimmerman did call 911 or the police many times. That should show anyone that he wasn't likely to use deadly force, he hadn't had any problems in all of those calls.

Zimmerman was not harassing anyone. He called the police to report a strange person acting like they were on drugs. It is all on tape. He was returning to his vehicle to meet the police when he was attacked by Martin. Martin was much larger than Zimmermen and knocked him down and got on top of him and was beating him. Several eye witnesses saw this happen. One called 911 to report a man being beaten and said he thought the person was dead.

This is all part of the records, not something new. It has always been known by anyone who would take the time to click on the sites.

Since you have had numerous chances to see and read the original police report, read a transcript of the 911 calls, and read what the eye witnesses said and still can't get the facts srtaight it shows you don't want to get the facts straight.

Again, not a personal attack, just straight facts. Sort of like the ones you seem to be very good at ignoring.