Where are our high mileage cars?

brreitsma · #**121** 03/26/12, 04:11 PM

So many people say it is their right to drive whatever they want without judgment and need shouldn't be factored in but just them exercising their right to choose their preference. Well, those same people shouldn't be hypocrites when it comes to others offensive choices then. A meth addict who cooks for themselves out of harms way of,anyone else and takes care to properly dispose of the waste product left over by bringing it to a hazardous waste collection site is just choosing to act according to their preference. The gay men,putting holes between stalls in public restrooms and doing what they want behind the closed and locked doors of a bathroom stall are just exercising their right to act on their preference. I forgot rights only extend to vehicle preference. That is a sacred right no one should cast judgment on because it is a preference superior to other ones.

pancho · #**122** 03/26/12, 04:28 PM

Everyone should be able to drive whatever they want.
If they pay for it and pay for the gas it isn't the business of anyone else.
We do see quite a few who choose to drive large trucks and SUVs then expect the oil companies to lower the price of gas so they can continue to drive them.

Drive what you want but don't expect anyone else to pay for the gas.

Heritagefarm · #**123** 03/26/12, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

The point is;

Who are you (or the Government) to decide what that person(s) need is?

That's the problem when others stick their noses in others people business..

You say that just because they have a lifted truck they don't need it and add that because they "personalized" it with some other items (you said metal balls), you again questioned their need for it...

Why?

If that is all that is needed to question someones need, then maybe I can question someones need just because of color of the vehicle... I mean why would anyone need a red vehicle? Red means fast and fast means wasteful..
See I can justify that as well as you can with the "metal balls"

Did you ever think that the Mini Coopers and such don't fair well with a Semi. Maybe the driver feels more secure in a larger SUV..

I have a problem when others and the Government continually keep trying to tell me what is best for me, when they haven't a clue what I do...

Typical of those who would violate our freedoms!

Maybe they travel to the "country" or "mountains" and need that lifted truck to get to their cabin and can't afford the cost of another vehicle.. I know there have been days when I needed more than my Dakota 4x4 could provide and I had to use the SIL's Lifted Ram 4x4.

But I guess I just love wasting fuel, because I'm in a truck or one that is lifted...

Oh and if you or the Government want me to drive a Tonka Toy, then you and the Government can pay for it along with the insurance and any and all costs associated with it.. Otherwise I will choose what suits my needs best..

I find it interesting how much you are defending my "jacked up idiot's truck w/ metal balls." Looks like someone has something they're defending? Because that jacked up truck is getting REALLY bad gas mileage and all it does is look dumb.

JeffreyD · #**124** 03/26/12, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brreitsma

So many people say it is their right to drive whatever they want without judgment and need shouldn't be factored in but just them exercising their right to choose their preference. Well, those same people shouldn't be hypocrites when it comes to others offensive choices then. A meth addict who cooks for themselves out of harms way of,anyone else and takes care to properly dispose of the waste product left over by bringing it to a hazardous waste collection site is just choosing to act according to their preference. The gay men,putting holes between stalls in public restrooms and doing what they want behind the closed and locked doors of a bathroom stall are just exercising their right to act on their preference. I forgot rights only extend to vehicle preference. That is a sacred right no one should cast judgment on because it is a preference superior to other ones.

So, driving whatever i choose is "offensive"? And why the bigoted remark about gay men? You do realize that buying a vehicle is a legal transaction, the other "analogies", are both illegal! Swing and a miss!!!

arabian knight · #**125** 03/26/12, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

Everyone should be able to drive whatever they want.
If they pay for it and pay for the gas it isn't the business of anyone else.
We do see quite a few who choose to drive large trucks and SUVs then expect the oil companies to lower the price of gas so they can continue to drive them.

Drive what you want but don't expect anyone else to pay for the gas.

Very good point. Tell the government to take a flying leap. This telling and then making sure what you only can drive STOPS NOW.

Haven · #**126** 03/26/12, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brreitsma

The gay men,putting holes between stalls in public restrooms and doing what they want behind the closed and locked doors of a bathroom stall are just exercising their right to act on their preference.

Come on...seriously?

What do gay men have to do with cars? Public nudity is illegal, even if it is a female hooker. This is turning into a muddy argument filled with hysteria.

brreitsma · #**127** 03/26/12, 09:59 PM

Wasn't being bigoted at all. Was referring to a common practice among a certain segment of there population. Not as a general across the board statement.

fordy · #**128** 03/26/12, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brreitsma

Wasn't being bigoted at all. Was referring to a common practice among a certain segment of there population. Not as a general across the board statement.

................it is hard for me to believe that a person would actually do such a thing , but given the times we're living in I suppose I shouldn't be surprised ! , fordy

JeffreyD · #**129** 03/26/12, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brreitsma

Wasn't being bigoted at all. Was referring to a common practice among a certain segment of there population. Not as a general across the board statement.

Yes, it was a bigoted statement. Also illegal, as was your analogy about meth cookers. Apples and oranges.

beowoulf90 · #**130** 03/27/12, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

I find it interesting how much you are defending my "jacked up idiot's truck w/ metal balls." Looks like someone has something they're defending? Because that jacked up truck is getting REALLY bad gas mileage and all it does is look dumb.

You would be wrong!

I have a 2008 Ford Taurus X ( an all wheel drive cross between mini van and SUV) that gets great gas mileage and a 1999 Dodge Dakota 4x4. Both are just the way they were built from the factory.. Neither is lifted, or has extras on them except for the Dakota has a class 3 hitch..

But then I guess that the hitch is the same as your "metal balls" Oh and to add the Dakota has over 253,000 miles on it...

Could it be you are jealous of those that have the money to lift their trucks?

We live in an area that is hilly, as such we need 4 wheel drive or all wheel drive vehicle during the winter. We won't see a snow plow for a couple of days after a snow storm..

Maybe they are at your front door after every snow, but out here it can be days and in years past the logging company would clear the road for their trucks if the State hadn't plowed after a couple of days.

Now maybe you and others will donate to My Tonka toy vehicle fund. This fund will buy a hybrid or some other fuel efficient vehicle for summer driving and pay for all costs of having that vehicle..

Just contact me and I will tell you where to send the money...

Oh and I will need to repair said Tonka toy after putting a load of scrap on/in it, so please be extra generous!

brreitsma · #**131** 03/27/12, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

Yes, it was a bigoted statement. Also illegal, as was your analogy about meth cookers. Apples and oranges.

If I mentioned white supremists burning crosses in yards because a certain percent will do it even though the majority of them never would would I be being accusdd of being bigoted toward all of them in general or would you assume I was referring to any event that takes place occasionally among a handful? Same thing, may disagree with them don't mean I hate them. Just using an example.

Heritagefarm · #**132** 03/27/12, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

You would be wrong!

I have a 2008 Ford Taurus X ( an all wheel drive cross between mini van and SUV) that gets great gas mileage and a 1999 Dodge Dakota 4x4. Both are just the way they were built from the factory.. Neither is lifted, or has extras on them except for the Dakota has a class 3 hitch..

But then I guess that the hitch is the same as your "metal balls" Oh and to add the Dakota has over 253,000 miles on it...

Could it be you are jealous of those that have the money to lift their trucks?

We live in an area that is hilly, as such we need 4 wheel drive or all wheel drive vehicle during the winter. We won't see a snow plow for a couple of days after a snow storm..

Maybe they are at your front door after every snow, but out here it can be days and in years past the logging company would clear the road for their trucks if the State hadn't plowed after a couple of days.

Now maybe you and others will donate to My Tonka toy vehicle fund. This fund will buy a hybrid or some other fuel efficient vehicle for summer driving and pay for all costs of having that vehicle..

Just contact me and I will tell you where to send the money...

Oh and I will need to repair said Tonka toy after putting a load of scrap on/in it, so please be extra generous!

I considered that it could be jealousy (I am always examining myself psychologically, something you should probably train yourself to do), but no. If I had enough money to do that, I would buy a Cadillac, something with far more taste than lifting my truck and telling the whole world just how big of a moron I was. And, of course, my first choice would be a Ford Fusion Hybrid. And for your information, our truck has 265k miles on it AND is a year younger than your older truck.

beowoulf90 · #**133** 03/27/12, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

I considered that it could be jealousy (I am always examining myself psychologically, something you should probably train yourself to do), but no. If I had enough money to do that, I would buy a Cadillac, something with far more taste than lifting my truck and telling the whole world just how big of a moron I was. And, of course, my first choice would be a Ford Fusion Hybrid. And for your information, our truck has 265k miles on it AND is a year younger than your older truck.

Then why are you concerned with someones lifted truck?

It seems you want to "outlaw" or ban them, just because you think it's stupid..

Heritagefarm · #**134** 03/27/12, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Then why are you concerned with someones lifted truck?

It seems you want to "outlaw" or ban them, just because you think it's stupid..

I hope you don't balance your checkbook as badly as you post here, otherwise you'll end up with a whole bunch of extra numbers that you don't know what to do with! The bank probably doesn't like all those scribbles on the side threatening them and accusing them of things they didn't even say, i.e., putting words in their mouth that weren't there.

beowoulf90 · #**135** 03/27/12, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

I hope you don't balance your checkbook as badly as you post here, otherwise you'll end up with a whole bunch of extra numbers that you don't know what to do with! The bank probably doesn't like all those scribbles on the side threatening them and accusing them of things they didn't even say, i.e., putting words in their mouth that weren't there.

Then why is a lifted truck such a problem for you?

Since apparently you didn't like my assumption...

Or is it you just want power over others and to demand they drive what you find acceptable?

Oh and if you want more information into my bank account, send in those donations for the Tonka toy.....

Contact me for mailing address and information....

Heritagefarm · #**136** 03/27/12, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Then why is a lifted truck such a problem for you?

Since apparently you didn't like my assumption...

Or is it you just want power over others and to demand they drive what you find acceptable?

Oh and if you want more information into my bank account, send in those donations for the Tonka toy.....

Contact me for mailing address and information....

Ah, I see now that you have admitted to making an assumption. So kind of you, for a while there I was seriously considering becoming offended.
When did I say I wanted power? Sure, I love electricity! No, I would like to see more diesels, hybrids, and other fuel-efficient cars on the roads, but I'm not going to bludgeon anyone into doing it. It has to a decision from the heart, to actually be willing to help the world at large. And if that last sentence doesn't make you want to barf, I don't know what will.

arabian knight · #**137** 03/27/12, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Then why is a lifted truck such a problem for you?

Since apparently you didn't like my assumption...

Or is it you just want power over others and to demand they drive what you find acceptable?

Oh and if you want more information into my bank account, send in those donations for the Tonka toy.....

Contact me for mailing address and information....

And this pipe dream of America going to electric cars is so far out of the real thinking that it is laughable. We have way more open spaces, and pull very heavy trailers etc. and about the only thing now to pull any size of a trailer is a PU. Lifted or not I don't giver a rip. 4 X 4 Yes try to back in a back in a sandy boat landing with a tinker toy front wheel drive one. LOL

plowjockey · #**138** 03/27/12, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

And this pipe dream of America going to electric cars is so far out of the real thinking that it is laughable. We have way more open spaces, and pull very heavy trailers etc. and about the only thing now to pull any size of a trailer is a PU. Lifted or not I don't giver a rip. 4 X 4 Yes try to back in a back in a sandy boat landing with a tinker toy front wheel drive one. LOL

Why does everyone think, that electric cars, have to be an all-or-nothing proposition? They were never indended to replace petrol powered vehicles, which may 40 years to phase out completely, for any new source of propulsion (unless we run out of oil first).

In certain situations, such as living in a large city and only commuting a few miles, per day, why would an electric car not be feasible?

BTW. Granted they get lot of juice, but railroad locomotives are powered by electric motors, are they not?

The 2012 Camry Hybrid electric traction motor is 140HP.

When Americans get sick of paying $5 gas, they warm up to electrics and other smaller cars.

JeffreyD · #**139** 03/27/12, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Why does everyone think, that electric cars, have to be an all-or-nothing proposition? They were never indended to replace petrol powered vehicles, which may 40 years to phase out completely, for any new source of propulsion (unless we run out of oil first).

In certain situations, such as living in a large city and only commuting a few miles, per day, why would an electric car not be feasible?

BTW. Granted they get lot of juice, but railroad locomotives are powered by electric motors, are they not?

The 2012 Camry Hybrid electric traction motor is 140HP.

When Americans get sick of paying $5 gas, they warm up to electrics and other smaller cars.

Sort of! The electric motors are on the trucks. Those motors get their power from the giant diesel engines and their generators. Ever see a locomotive smoke and make noise when their running, that's diesel, if they were all electric, if they made any noise or smoked that would be a very bad thing!

plowjockey · #**140** 03/27/12, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD

Sort of! The electric motors are on the trucks. Those motors get their power from the giant diesel engines and their generators. Ever see a locomotive smoke and make noise when their running, that's diesel, if they were all electric, if they made any noise or smoked that would be a very bad thing!

I should have explained that the "juice" indeed, came from a diesel generator and not from batteries, on a railroad locomotive.

My point was, there there is power in electric motors.

Obviously, they will have to be lighter, smaller, use less electrical power and employ advanced transmissions, to be effective, but why can't the be.

The Chevy Volt is powered with a 150HP electric motor. Not a ripper, yet, but equivilent horsepower to a average 4 clyinder gas engine.

My farmer friend asked me if they were going to make battery powered farm tractors.

Maybe someday.