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copperkid3 02/21/12 08:54 PM

Alleged Ft. Hood shooter faces possible death penalty
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Militar...rch-2012-trial

if found guilty in coming trial on March 5th, 2012.


At present, he's still paralyzed from the waist down and has fired his civilian lawyer.


Death to terrorists.......and traitors.

JuliaAnn 02/21/12 10:33 PM

My heart does not bleed for him that he's paralyzed. His own actions caused that to happen to him. I think he will likely get the death penalty, and it will cause an ensuing hue and cry among the muslim communities in our country. Allahu akhbar, or however it goes...

poppy 02/21/12 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JuliaAnn (Post 5724466)
My heart does not bleed for him that he's paralyzed. His own actions caused that to happen to him. I think he will likely get the death penalty, and it will cause an ensuing hue and cry among the muslim communities in our country. Allahu akhbar, or however it goes...

I don't think many muslims in this country will support him, at least openly. I wouldn't doubt some overseas will take US hostages and try to trade for him. They need to use him for a target at the Ft. Hood rifle range.

Beowulf 02/22/12 10:13 AM

Or we could just lock him up for the rest of his life in a maximum security hospital and forget about him? Honestly, I don't think that killing him will serve any purpose other than revenge, and that is not the purpose of the justice system - military or otherwise.

SmokeEater2 02/22/12 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf (Post 5725286)
Or we could just lock him up for the rest of his life in a maximum security hospital and forget about him? Honestly, I don't think that killing him will serve any purpose other than revenge, and that is not the purpose of the justice system - military or otherwise.


So the taxpayers should foot the medical bills for the rest of his life? Medical bills brought on by his choice to start gunning people down and only ceasing when a Fort Hood cop shot him? Yeah, that's the ticket. :hrm:

Killing him would serve no purpose but revenge? Really? How about the fact that the Army has laws that every service member is made aware of and if those laws are broken there is a price to pay for those actions?

He committed mass murder knowing full well that his actions broke military law so he is subject to the UCMJ punishment he willfully brought upon himself.

arabian knight 02/22/12 11:23 AM

YES Death Penalty, good.

SteveD(TX) 02/22/12 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater2 (Post 5725429)
So the taxpayers should foot the medical bills for the rest of his life? Medical bills brought on by his choice to start gunning people down and only ceasing when a Fort Hood cop shot him? Yeah, that's the ticket. :hrm:

Killing him would serve no purpose but revenge? Really? How about the fact that the Army has laws that every service member is made aware of and if those laws are broken there is a price to pay for those actions?

He committed mass murder knowing full well that his actions broke military law so he is subject to the UCMJ punishment he willfully brought upon himself.

I've read where it's actually more expensive to execute someone than it is to lock them up for life. So, the costs involved are not the reason to do it. But executing low-life scum like this sets an example for others. I believe that the death penalty is generally a deterrent, but in the case of Muslims, perhaps not. Being a martyr with the promise of 69 virgins in the afterlife apparently looks pretty good to some of these people.

Wags 02/22/12 12:06 PM

If the appeals process didn't drag on forever it wouldn't be more costly to execute. He should have already been tried and hung a long time ago.

Ken Scharabok 02/22/12 12:16 PM

I was surprised as to how quickly Tim McVey was put to death.

copperkid3 02/22/12 12:43 PM

Yeah????
 
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Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok (Post 5725527)
I was surprised as to how quickly Tim McVey was put to death.

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It took 22 months from the time of his indictment to when he was found guilty of 11 charges.

It then took ANOTHER 4 years before being given the needle.


WAY too long to set any kind of an example......

Ken Scharabok 02/22/12 01:16 PM

I don't know what the average is, but six years sound like pretty quick.

SmokeEater2 02/22/12 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveD(TX) (Post 5725473)
I've read where it's actually more expensive to execute someone than it is to lock them up for life. So, the costs involved are not the reason to do it. But executing low-life scum like this sets an example for others. I believe that the death penalty is generally a deterrent, but in the case of Muslims, perhaps not. Being a martyr with the promise of 69 virgins in the afterlife apparently looks pretty good to some of these people.


The Military still has provisions for hanging (or did before I retired anyway) so not too much expense there.

I'm not that familiar with radical Muslim teachings so I don't know if the 72 virgin thing applies to execution or not, But I'm guessing not since he's fighting the death penalty.

SmokeEater2 02/22/12 01:34 PM

Ah yes, Peaceful tolerant Islam....

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02...vert-to-death/

A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.

Ken Scharabok 02/22/12 02:01 PM

The death penalty is a bargaining chip used by prosecutors to intice a plea agreement out of a defendant.

ninny 02/22/12 02:10 PM

When someone is as obviously guilty as this jerk is;short trial, guilty and hang/shoot following week. Saves having to build more prisons and the costs that go along with those.

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EDDIE BUCK 02/22/12 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninny (Post 5725761)
When someone is as obviously guilty as this jerk is;short trial, guilty and hang/shoot following week. Saves having to build more prisons and the costs that go along with those.

Absolutely
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m.../YESSSSSSS.gif And whoever shot and paralyzed him ought to have to take another shooting class until they can hit the mark.http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...3/target-1.gif WE TAKE NO PRISONERS!

Yvonne's hubby 02/22/12 02:39 PM

From Nov 5th 2009 to March 5th 2012.... Hmmm this fellers Constitutional rights have been violated horribly!

Sixth amendent:

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial"

Bearfootfarm 02/22/12 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok
I was surprised as to how quickly Tim McVey was put to death.
I suspect the Govt was in a hurry to silence him

Bearfootfarm 02/22/12 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveD(TX)
I've read where it's actually more expensive to execute someone than it is to lock them up for life.
I think that's one of those made up arguments, since all those Govt lawyers and judges would be getting paid no matter what.

Appeals shouldn't be automatic

JuliaAnn 02/22/12 03:22 PM

Didn't McVeigh request that he be put to death quickly and waived a bunch of rights? Or am I mistaking him for someone else?

I think those who wantonly kill innocents should forefeit their lives in exchange. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

Beowulf 02/22/12 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater2 (Post 5725429)
So the taxpayers should foot the medical bills for the rest of his life? Medical bills brought on by his choice to start gunning people down and only ceasing when a Fort Hood cop shot him? Yeah, that's the ticket. :hrm:

Killing him would serve no purpose but revenge? Really? How about the fact that the Army has laws that every service member is made aware of and if those laws are broken there is a price to pay for those actions?

He committed mass murder knowing full well that his actions broke military law so he is subject to the UCMJ punishment he willfully brought upon himself.

His medical bills and housing will very likely cost less than the appeals process that will be required to execute him. Regardless, cost is not a valid argument either way. Even if it did in fact cost more to house an inmate until they die of natural causes, it is no more or less moral to kill a helpless person because of how much it will cost to do it.

While the UCMJ does place the death penalty on the table, it does not require it. Whether it is available or not does not make it any more or less moral.

I'm relatively certain he went into it expecting to die when he was in the act - The death penalty is no deterrent in such a case.

Harming others except in defence of self, family, or property is flat out wrong. The shooter is neutralized. He can be housed away from society until he dies of natural causes or hangs himself in his cell. Killing him serves no purpose except to satisfy the blood lust of the families of those he harmed.

Ken Scharabok 02/22/12 06:26 PM

Bear in mind those on death row who have had their sentenses set aside by new scientific methods.

plowjockey 02/22/12 06:39 PM

Death penalty convictions, In a Court Matrtial, has an automatic appeal.

The last Military death penalty execution, was in 1961.

Get ready for a dog-and-pony show, disguised as justice.

Obama has to sign the death warrant, provided he is still POTUS.

copperkid3 02/22/12 07:33 PM

Base on the shooter's triumphant yelling of: "Allahu Akbar"....
 
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Originally Posted by plowjockey (Post 5726331)
Death penalty convictions, In a Court Matrtial, has an automatic appeal.

The last Military death penalty execution, was in 1961.

Get ready for a dog-and-pony show, disguised as justice.

Obama has to sign the death warrant, provided he is still POTUS.

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just as he started shooting, I'm willing to bet that "O"
will more than likely give him a presidential pardon ......:censored:

Yvonne's hubby 02/22/12 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok (Post 5726289)
Bear in mind those on death row who have had their sentenses set aside by new scientific methods.

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that this clown will ultimately be not only acquitted and released by some kind of new scientific methods,,,, but will probably receive a medal from the big O himself.

Just how many eye witnesses and statements from the "alleged" shooter himself would it take to convince you of his guilt? :shrug:

plowjockey 02/22/12 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by copperkid3 (Post 5726488)
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just as he started shooting, I'm willing to bet that "O"
will more than likely give him a presidential pardon ......:censored:

This loser is up on murder charges, not terrorism charges.

Personally, I don't care if he faces a firing squad tomorrow, but in the end it really does not matter. It's only meaningless vengeance, that " we showed him". There will be no crime deterrent, for future losers, to learn from.

He might even be happy, he will be iced, as he can die as a hero, to the cause., just like Tim McVeigh.

Tim McViegh is dead, verses in prison, but that means nothing, to the adult and children he had killed/injured, and little to the suffering loved one's, that have to live with this pain. Little difference in this case, also.

This will be a dog-and-pony show, unfortunately. Pro death Penalty vs anti death penalty.

Real justice will be lost in between.

Yvonne's hubby 02/22/12 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey (Post 5726551)
Tim McViegh is dead, verses in prison, but that means nothing, to the adult and children he had killed/injured, and little to the suffering loved one's, that have to live with this pain. Little difference in this case, also.

Oh, I dunno, I dont think McViegh will be killing again.... and he isnt costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars a year in upkeep. Thats worth something.

EasyDay 02/23/12 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey (Post 5726551)
This loser is up on murder charges, not terrorism charges.

BECAUSE "they" opted to categorize his actions as "workplace violence", as opposed to the terrorist action that it actually was.


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This will be a dog-and-pony show, unfortunately. Pro death Penalty vs anti death penalty.
The bolded simply isn't politically correct. The PC-correct term is "canine-equestrian display"! :D

EDDIE BUCK 02/23/12 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by copperkid3 (Post 5726488)
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just as he started shooting, I'm willing to bet that "O"
will more than likely give him a presidential pardon ......:censored:

Like this guy that made the plane have to land yesterday I think.They need to fix a little room with two doors so the plane won't lose cabin pressure,then gently help him off the plane at thirty thousand feet.Let him find out how great Allah is,and were those 72 virgins worth the trip.;)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/airl...llah-is-great/

TheMartianChick 02/23/12 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by copperkid3 (Post 5724238)
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Militar...rch-2012-trial

if found guilty in coming trial on March 5th, 2012.


At present, he's still paralyzed from the waist down and has fired his civilian lawyer.


Death to terrorists.......and traitors.

He should face the death penalty and I don't care that he is paralyzed. He kinda asked for that, dontcha think?


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