Okla fails in the meth fight

Ambereyes · #61 02/18/12, 09:30 AM

Can you imagine what most offices would be like if cold meds were hard to get... LOL Everyone sneezing and blowing their noses, all those tissues and germs floating around!! Yuck, it could get really nasty...

Old Vet · #62 02/18/12, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Are you being serious, or sarcastic?

Can you explain your point a little more?

I was not being sarcastic. The war on drugs is fought by harassing and jailing the ones that sell drugs to make it look like the police are doing their job. They never bring down those that sell it to the man that is selling it to the end customer. I don't thing that they even try to find out who is involved. Many of the wealthiest and influential people are either involved or are payed off to not see it in their life. When you bring it up to the police they say they are off limits.

Danaus29 · #63 02/18/12, 06:51 PM

My son needs pseudoephedrine in order to breathe when his allergies are acting up. It is the only drug which works and he has tried dozens. So my son should be forced to go to the hospital and be put on a ventilator instead of being able to get a medication he needs just because some stupid people use that same medication to kill themselves gradually?

Next you'll be saying we should take percocet and percodan off the market because even with the prescription requirement people still abuse those meds. Oh, and let's not forget the myriad of other drugs which stupid people choose to abuse. And we might as well ban morning glories and angels trumpet too.

InvalidID · #64 02/18/12, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

I was not being sarcastic. The war on drugs is fought by harassing and jailing the ones that sell drugs to make it look like the police are doing their job. They never bring down those that sell it to the man that is selling it to the end customer. I don't thing that they even try to find out who is involved. Many of the wealthiest and influential people are either involved or are payed off to not see it in their life. When you bring it up to the police they say they are off limits.

This post is so true I'm wondering if you don't have some inside information there bud. LOL

plowjockey · #65 02/18/12, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

I was not being sarcastic. The war on drugs is fought by harassing and jailing the ones that sell drugs to make it look like the police are doing their job. They never bring down those that sell it to the man that is selling it to the end customer. I don't thing that they even try to find out who is involved. Many of the wealthiest and influential people are either involved or are payed off to not see it in their life. When you bring it up to the police they say they are off limits.

This is simply not true.

The DEA and other Agencies spend billions, over the years, sending agents to infiltrate and catch, traffickers at every level, all the way to the very top.

Ever heard of Pablo Escobar? We helped big-time to get him. This is only one example.

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In 1992 United States Operators from Delta Force, Navy SEALs and Centra Spike joined the all-out manhunt for Escobar. They trained and advised a special Colombian police task force, known as the Search Bloc, which had been created to locate Escobar. Later, as the conflict between Escobar and United States and Colombian governments dragged on and the numbers of his enemies grew, a vigilante group known as Los Pepes (Los Perseguidos por Pablo Escobar, "People Persecuted by Pablo Escobar") financed by his rivals and former associates, including the Cali Cartel and right-wing paramilitaries led by Carlos Castaño, who would later found the Peasant Self-Defense Forces of Córdoba and Urabá. Los Pepes carried out a bloody campaign fueled by vengeance in which more than 300 of Escobar's associates and relatives were slain and large amounts of his cartel's property were destroyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_E..._and_afterward

Here is another.

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DEA Busts Puerto Rico's Top Drug Trafficker

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SEP 22, 2009 -- (SAN JUAN, P.R). - Angel Ayala-Vazquez,. a.k.a “El Buster” a.k.a “Angelo Millones” identified as the head of the largest drug trafficking organization in Puerto Rico, was arrested by DEA, FBI and PRPD last Friday, September 18, 2009. Ayala-Vazquez has been the principal leader of an organization responsible for the importation of thousands of kilograms of narcotics to Puerto Rico, the transshipment of narcotics from Puerto Rico to the continental United States, the distribution of kilogram quantities of narcotics to other drug trafficking organizations operating in Puerto Rico and the street level distribution of narcotics within several public housing projects in Puerto Rico

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/stat...rib092209.html

pancho · #66 02/18/12, 07:26 PM

Sometimes they are late with the payoff.
Sometimes they even think they are strong enough to stop paying protection.

time · #67 02/18/12, 08:43 PM

It's all fun and games, till grandma goes to jail.

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Unless she wins her appeal, a Mississippi grandmother who spent $8.98 on a box of Sudafed must serve a year in jail.
For Diane Avera, a 45-year-old Meridian woman who does personal care for the sick, disabled and elderly, it has been a nightmare, she said. "I keep thinking I'm going to wake up, but I never do."
She is seeking a new trial in Demopolis, Ala., after being convicted of second degree intent to manufacture methamphetamine. If she loses, she plans to appeal to the Alabama Court of Appeals.
Crackdowns taking place across the nation on pseudoephedrine and other products used to make methamphetamine have caused her to become a "prisoner of the drug war going on inside America," said her husband, Keith. "When common household medications and disinfectants are now illegal to possess, I believe we have gone overboard with the drug laws."
In 2009, grandmother Sally Harpold was handcuffed and jailed in Indiana after she bought a box of Zyrtec-D cold medicine for her husband and a box of Mucinex D cold medicine for her adult daughter in less than a week.Mississippi has one of the nation's strictest laws, requiring a prescription to purchase pseudoephedrine.
Marshall Fisher, director of the Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics, said since the law's enactment, his agency has seen a 67 percent decline from the 960 meth labs it found the year before and an 80 percent decline in children endangered by meth labs.
While it is illegal to bring pseudoephedrine products back to Mississippi, authorities don't target those who do, unless they have been arrested in the past, he said.
"We have enough to say grace over without doing that silliness," he said. "The last thing we want to be responsible for is targeting grandma."
Avera, who has three grandsons, had no prior arrests. "The only thing I've ever had is a speeding ticket," she said.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article...to-meth-charge

Good laws gone bad? Naw, bad laws to begin with.

I call that more than an "inconvieniance".

Old Vet · #68 02/18/12, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

This is simply not true.

The DEA and other Agencies spend billions, over the years, sending agents to infiltrate and catch, traffickers at every level, all the way to the very top.

Ever heard of Pablo Escobar? We helped big-time to get him. This is only one example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_E..._and_afterward

Here is another.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/stat...rib092209.html

yep they are caught when the forget to pay for protection. And what about the ones that took over their business they are not caught yet and won't be unless the quit paying off the ones that realty control the drug business. They know the names of them but can't find any information on them.

plowjockey · #69 02/19/12, 10:33 AM

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tinknal · #70 02/19/12, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

This is simply not true.

The DEA and other Agencies spend billions, over the years, sending agents to infiltrate and catch, traffickers at every level, all the way to the very top.

And how is that working out?

pancho · #71 02/19/12, 12:20 PM

Ths is just an example of the amount of money we are talking about when we say drug money.
In 1995-96 there was a federal indictment in Miami against Amando Carrillo. He was charged with making a single airplane shipment from Cali, Columbia. The plane was a Boeing 727 and had a 6 ton carge. The cargo containes one single thing. U.S. currency.
They do not know if it was in the form of $20 bills or $100 bills.
Would anyone care to venture a guess how much that would come to?
That was 16-17 years ago. Anyone think there are less drugs nowdays than then?

plowjockey · #72 02/19/12, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey
This is simply not true.

The DEA and other Agencies spend billions, over the years, sending agents to infiltrate and catch, traffickers at every level, all the way to the very top.

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Originally Posted by tinknal

And how is that working out?

It's not working out well, at all, but that was not even my point. For some reason, I keep forgetting that these discussions, should be based on facts and truth.

My point was that we have not just spent 40 years and trillions of dollars, throwing street pushers in jail and letting all the bigger fish get away. That is just not true.

We are going after traffickers (at all levels) all over the world, street gangs, Russians, South Americans, etc.

Just like the war in Afghanistan, the U.S.is fighting "the war on drugs" wery well. We always have.

We just are not winning it and we never will.

wyld thang · #73 02/19/12, 09:44 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...-epidemic.html

for what it's worth, meth use has been reduced in Oregon successfully. Along with putting the cold meds behind the counter(prescription), they also required a driver's licence when selling scrap metal, and there was a huge ad campaign about the really bad stuff meth does to you.

On the other hand this may be interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Oregon
Oregon (and WA) will probably be one of the first states to legalize pot.

Just saying, it's an interesting place regarding controlled substances.

Old Vet · #74 02/19/12, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

It's not working out well, at all, but that was not even my point. For some reason, I keep forgetting that these discussions, should be based on facts and truth.

My point was that we have not just spent 40 years and trillions of dollars, throwing street pushers in jail and letting all the bigger fish get away. That is just not true.

We are going after traffickers (at all levels) all over the world, street gangs, Russians, South Americans, etc.

Just like the war in Afghanistan, the U.S.is fighting "the war on drugs" wery well. We always have.

We just are not winning it and we never will.

I am glad you think so and maybe it will come to fact one of these days.

DQ · #75 02/20/12, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by manfred

We sure don't want folks with runny noses to be inconvenienced even if it helps the lives of people, we don't think alike at all. Your runny nose .....?

have you ever had a sinus infection? it makes it sound petty to assume that people who want pseudophedrine just have a "runny nose". having finally recovered from a nasty sinus infection only after going to the pharmacy and getting "real" sudafed I can assure you that it is more than just a matter of convenience or relieving petty mild symptoms. i know if I would have gone to the doc I probably would have ended up with steroids and antibiotics.

I lived next to a meth house for six years. It's awful and they need help. I think that having to go to a pharmacy is a good compromise but I don't think we should have to run to the doctor for basic drugs. I think a lot more should be over the counter and if people misuse it then it isn't as if they haven't had fair warning.