Okla fails in the meth fight

Home Harvest · #21 02/17/12, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by manfred

Children are losing their mothers to this drug. This drug has touched almost everyone I know. Isn't there something else you could take for your cold and save countless lives?

Isn't there something else the tweakers can take so they don't inconvenience the millions of us who cherish our freedom and don't want to get a prescription every time we have a cold?

Isn't it their choice to use meth? Is the government forcing these mothers to take these drugs? Are they even being encouraged to take them? No on all counts.

KnowOneSpecial · #22 02/17/12, 10:49 AM

The problem with just letting the methheads kill themselves off is that it's not a victimless crime.

When they cook the drugs there's often kids around. I've seen kids come into foster care that have sunburned skin in December because they were in houses that had so many chemicals in the air their skin was burned. Their clothes have to be destroyed due to the chemicals, as do their favorite stuffed animals and toys. Let's not get into what the chemicals do to their brains.

When a Mom smokes meth while pregnant it's going to affect the baby. Are you ready to pay more for the greater demand for foster care? What about the demand for more special ed teachers for these kids once they hit school age? Let's not forget more medical services will be needed, too. Someone's gotta pay for it and you can bet that methhead doesn't have private insurance.

Then there's the houses used to cook meth. What happens to them? Do you want to buy a house that was filled with toxic chemicals? What about a house that still may have a ton of chemicals in the walls and floors? What do we do with those houses?

If we just let them die out we'll need to pay for more funerals. Not to mention the rise in crime so they can score their next fix. We'll need to have more rehabs, too.

Or we can just nip it while we can.

The solution to the inconvenience is simple. Plan ahead. You know you're probably going to get a cold this winter. Why not have a box on hand? It's not like they expire quickly.

InvalidID · #23 02/17/12, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Home Harvest

Well, it seems the response is pretty much unanimous.

Our jails are filled with young people who did nothing wrong except get caught up in drugs. Is alcoholism a crime? Is nicotine addiction a crime?

Why is society punished, and our freedoms stripped, because some people can't control themselves? The "war on drugs" has been a monumental FAILURE and drugs need to be decriminalized. This will serve multiple purposes. The price of drugs will drop, so that users won't need to steal to afford it. The use and sale can be regulated and controlled, as is done with alcohol. Addicted individuals can seek help, like with alcohol. Oh, did I mention a little thing called the constitution. The ongoing "war on drugs" (which should really be called the war on america's youth) is absolutely 100% unconstitutional.

The downside...our jails would empty and the bulk of our court and penal system would be out of work.

Can you imagine if we went form spending billions upon billions of dollars fighting drugs to taxing billions upon billions on the sale of drugs? The knock on effect would save us untold amounts of money as well.

Some of those taxes and savings could be put towards education and rehab for those that really wanted it. The difference in this country would be enormous.

Home Harvest · #24 02/17/12, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID

Can you imagine if we went form spending billions upon billions of dollars fighting drugs to taxing billions upon billions on the sale of drugs? The knock on effect would save us untold amounts of money as well.

Some of those taxes and savings could be put towards education and rehab for those that really wanted it. The difference in this country would be enormous.

Here, Here!

Home Harvest · #25 02/17/12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowOneSpecial

Or we can just nip it while we can.

Haven't we been spending billions and billions to "just nip it" for years now?

Please tell me...when will it be "nipped"?

Do you honestly believe that it's as simple as requiring a prescription for cold medicine to "nip" america's "drug problem"?

Allen W · #26 02/17/12, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID

Can you imagine if we went form spending billions upon billions of dollars fighting drugs to taxing billions upon billions on the sale of drugs? The knock on effect would save us untold amounts of money as well.

Some of those taxes and savings could be put towards education and rehab for those that really wanted it. The difference in this country would be enormous.

Your still going to have jobless junkies looking for cash for a fix. Some drugs would still be too dangerous for people to have open acces to.

KnowOneSpecial · #27 02/17/12, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Home Harvest

Haven't we been spending billions and billions to "just nip it" for years now?

Please tell me...when will it be "nipped"?

Do you honestly believe that it's as simple as requiring a prescription for cold medicine to "nip" america's "drug problem"?

It may not be nipped, but it's curbed. Something is better than nothing.

InvalidID · #28 02/17/12, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Allen W

Your still going to have jobless junkies looking for cash for a fix. Some drugs would still be too dangerous for people to have open acces to.

We'have that already, what's the difference?

InvalidID · #29 02/17/12, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowOneSpecial

It may not be nipped, but it's curbed. Something is better than nothing.

It isn't curbed, it's rampant. Just because you only see the worst of the worst doesn't mean that there aren't functioning users out there. I personally know several drug users that run fairly successful businesses, and I grew up around quite a few more of them.

So instead of spending billions form the general fund why don't we tax those that can handle it in order to cover those that can't?

Home Harvest · #30 02/17/12, 11:09 AM

Go ahead and tell all of your horror stories about the "victims" of drugs.

I remember college in the late 70's. My buddies and I would get a nickel bag and spend Friday night inhaling with pizzas ,beer, watching a ball game. We all risked being thrown in jail for this terrible crime.

After "throwing my life away" with those horrible drugs I went on to get married, have a baby, go to grad school for a master's degree, a successful career in corporate management, a second successful and ongoing career in retail management.

I still enjoy a night of responsibly drinking beer, eating pizza, and watching a ball game. I no longer believe the risk of jail time is worth smoking pot, but I absolutely would if it were legal. I believe alcohol is far more harmful than pot will ever be.

Drugs are not the problem here, no more than guns are the problem with crime. It's oversimplified. People are the problem. People who need help, not jail time.

Allen W · #31 02/17/12, 11:29 AM

Pot and meth are two different things. You can even allegedly smoke pot and become a county judge around here. Meth will eat your brain and body up seen too many young people go done that road and not come back.

We're raising to GK because of meth so I am A little biased. And yes she had the I'm in control I can quit but she went back too many times and she couldn't walk away from it.

ryanthomas · #32 02/17/12, 11:39 AM

No doubt meth is a horrible drug, but it isn't going away. Pass all the laws you want, and it will still be there.

Home Harvest · #33 02/17/12, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Allen W

Pot and meth are two different things. You can even allegedly smoke pot and become a county judge around here. Meth will eat your brain and body up seen too many young people go done that road and not come back.

We're raising to GK because of meth so I am A little biased. And yes she had the I'm in control I can quit but she went back too many times and she couldn't walk away from it.

Physically, pot and meth are very different. Playing with coke or meth is a dangerous game. My point is that it's the same game legally and constitutionally.

The OP is suggesting that it is OK for the government to inconvenience and potentially harm millions of law abiding citizens by requiring prescriptions for cold/sinus medicines.

I didn't choose to catch a cold, or get a sinus infection. I don't choose to use that medicine to cook meth. Why in the world should I be inconvenienced when I'm sick? How can you justify putting this burden on the law abiding citizens because a few addicts can't control themselves?

You are using the same argument that gun control advocates us. Don't go after the criminal, go after the gun and inconvenience millions of legal gun owners. Guess what, I don't believe that works either.

Becka03 · #34 02/17/12, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowOneSpecial

It may not be nipped, but it's curbed. Something is better than nothing.

around here- they are smokin bath salts now- I have no idea why or how or what kind- but they will find a fix doin anything- ban one- they will find another...

Allen W · #35 02/17/12, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Home Harvest

Physically, pot and meth are very different. Playing with coke or meth is a dangerous game. My point is that it's the same game legally and constitutionally.

The OP is suggesting that it is OK for the government to inconvenience and potentially harm millions of law abiding citizens by requiring prescriptions for cold/sinus medicines.

I didn't choose to catch a cold, or get a sinus infection. I don't choose to use that medicine to cook meth. Why in the world should I be inconvenienced when I'm sick? How can you justify putting this burden on the law abiding citizens because a few addicts can't control themselves?

You are using the same argument that gun control advocates us. Don't go after the criminal, go after the gun and inconvenience millions of legal gun owners. Guess what, I don't believe that works either.

Reading comprehension is your freind. Check post #2 out.

InvalidID · #36 02/17/12, 01:09 PM

I'm going to share something a little personal, because this thread hit me right at home. I had to post it off site as I feel if I posted it here it would be deleted being as it doesn't follow the rules of conduct here. Anyway, I don't want to seem overly dramatic or anything. Just gonna throw this out there and bail on this thread before I get myself in trouble is all.

http://iidsideas.blogspot.com/2012/0...n-my-mind.html

Home Harvest · #37 02/17/12, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Allen W

Reading comprehension is your freind. Check post #2 out.

Now, now. I read post #2 and comprehended it perfectly. I'm in complete agreement with your post #2. Just curious why you switched sides mid-discussion?

John Carter · #38 02/17/12, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

A while back I got a waterproof match box for my backpacking stuff.

Well it was one with the little checkering on the box so you can strike a match on it.

Off to the store I go to find some "strike anywhere" matches.

One store after another I can't find them. When I ask a clerk or the manager they look at me like they don't know what I'm talking about.

I go home and tell the wife I'm amazed. Not a single store had what used to be a common thing and they looked at me like I was nuts when I asked for them.

My wife who works for a gov't agency said she had gone to a workshop put on by the state police recently and apparently strike anywhere matches are somehow used in the production of crank.

I was really embarassed then and figured the stores had probably made me for a chemist

strike anywhere matches use red phospherous.
there is a formula on the net that tells you how to cook meth using red phos matches.

Thats why you cant find it.

Oklahoma banned that little item about 5 years ago.

Regarding the OP. I find it so crazy the length we as a society will go to to prevent the druggies from abusing and over using. The problem is most certainly self correcting over a period of time. LEt nature weed out the unfit in stead of causing the rest of us to "have visits" because we use it responsibily

pancho · #39 02/17/12, 04:59 PM

Banning something as common as cold medicine does a couple of things.
Increases the cost of the medicine.
Makes it harder for the person who obeys the law.
It doesn't have much effect on the criminal.

plowjockey · #40 02/17/12, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by manfred

I saw on the news last night the bill failed to make the cold drugs that have the meth ingredients prescription only.
I think all the ruined lives should trump a cold sufferer's inconvenience.
What can they be thinking? Must be the drug company's deep pockets.

Good.

It is a useless, desparate attempt to control something, that is already way out of control.

Meth can be made from hundred of different compounds, so locking down cold remedies will do nothing, but make it harder to get, for those who actually need the medicine.

They going to have to make drain cleaner, available by licensed plumbers, only and have a photo ID to buy camera batteries.