Iran has nuclear fuel rods??

time · #41 01/02/12, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

We originally manufactured the detonaters for nuclear weapons at Fernald in Ohio. They had no other use except for nuclear weapons. That plant was a secret to those living nearby until the very early 90's.

Using those detonators for conventional weapons is a joke. Anyone who knows how a nuclear weapon is detonated (how the parts are brought togther for a critical mass) knows no conventional weapon has a need for that type of mechanism.

Hmmmm, you know nothing of our detonators. Your statement is patently false.

I was tactical nuclear weapons in the military.

time · #42 01/02/12, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

With the amount of money they've wasted on the nuclear fuel cycle they could have used their natural gas resources to electrify the entire country using combustion turbines long ago. Make no mistake, the nuclear fuel canard, is a bald-faced lie.

It only takes two years from breaking ground to have a 200+ megawatt natural gas fired power plant in operation. So much for their energy self-sufficiency excuse.

Sorry, your history here defending nuclear power seriously kills your credibilty on this issue.

pancho · #43 01/02/12, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

"The leaders of Iran don't want to die anymore than you or I do." Can you prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt? Can you prove that to the Israelis that have to live with rocket attacks?

Do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood and Salaflists that took over Egypt want nothing more than peace with Israel? Do you believe that Israel instigated the conflicts in 1956, 1967, and 1973?

Can you prove your point beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Darren · #44 01/02/12, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by time

Sorry, your history here defending nuclear power seriously kills your credibilty on this issue.

FWIW, I worked on the prototype GE E frame 200 megawatt combustion turbine that was installed near Chesterfield, VA around 1992. At a dollar a watt, the plant cost $200 million, a natural gas fired combustion turbine is much less expensive than any nuke.

A little Googling on comparative costs will prove to you that a natural gas fired combustion turbined power plant is cheaper to build than a nuke. In the late 80's you were looking at 2 to 3 times the cost of a natural gas fired power plant for a nuclear power plant. Don't take my word for it, look at the readily available DOE data.

Darren · #45 01/02/12, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

Can you prove your point beyond a shadow of a doubt?

You're making it too easy. this will do for a start. Of course the vandalism of the pipeline between Egypt and Israel is also a red flag.

http://patdollard.com/2012/01/egypt-...-peace-treaty/

Darren · #46 01/02/12, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by time

Hmmmm, you know nothing of our detonators. Your statement is patently false.

I was tactical nuclear weapons in the military.

That's great! I don't expect you to reveal any military secrets. But I am curious why you think a critical mass of a radioactive substance is required to detonate conventional weapons.

Darren · #47 01/02/12, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by time

I do not care about isreal. Isreals problems are not my problems.

That was apparently what a lot of people thought about Jews in WW II. Of course with much of the world dependent on oil and reasonable pricing of fuels supported by stability in the Middle East, I can understand why some people are concerned about Iran's threats. From what I gather, you must be immune to the possibility of much higher prices at the gas pump.

I wish I were in your position. I still have to fill my gas tank on occasion and watch my trips to save money. I'm glad that's not a concern for you.

time · #48 01/02/12, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

That was apparently what a lot of people thought about Jews in WW II. Of course with much of the world dependent on oil and reasonable pricing of fuels supported by stability in the Middle East, I can understand why some people are concerned about Iran's threats. From what I gather, you must be immune to the possibility of much higher prices at the gas pump.

I wish I were in your position. I still have to fill my gas tank on occasion and watch my trips to save money. I'm glad that's not a concern for you.

I will not kill people for fear I may have to spend more than I want to drive into town. That you will, or would have others do it for you, speaks volumes about your character.

The Jews are not presently being rounded up in concentration camps. I beleive they are free to leave Isreal if they fear for their lives. Or stay and fight. You actually have the ability to go fight with them if you choose. You do not need my countries money or blood to do so.

time · #49 01/02/12, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

That's great! I don't expect you to reveal any military secrets. But I am curious why you think a critical mass of a radioactive substance is required to detonate conventional weapons.

I will not discuss the issue.

I will refer you to the link I supplied earlier.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/inte...me-iaea-report

It provides some detail of the detonators Iran has been testing.

Note pg 18. paragraph 40.

" The Agency reccognizes there exists non-nuclear applications, albeit few, for detonators like EBW's, and of equipment suitable for fireing multiple detonators with a high level of simultaneity."

Please, refute that sentance as best you can. We can discuss that.