Canola oil is poison?

Science done by anyone who cares to do it.

Most all the studies end up the same.

There are NO nutritional differences in GMO and organic foods

Pick one you like:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete...w=1016&bih=522

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Give credit, where credit is due. I loved the movie- Moonstruck

First you said that organic is not better than GMO in any way and now you are shifting the target to nutritional differences. I never claimed that the nutrient makeup was different between the two. I do think there are a number of stark differences between the two and IMHO, the label "organic" has been watered down to the point where it simply isn't good enough for me. I don't want chickens who receive no antibiotics and who eat organic grain, I want chickens who do all that and run around on grass eating bugs and weeds. Even the "free range" label often means nothing more than access to a tiny dirt yard for short periods every day.

I want food that is sustainable and GMO crops are not. They threaten the stability of our food supply and are counter to biodiversity.

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It's not different in any way.
It just costs more

What would those be?

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What makes "organic" sustainable. On a field scale i mean? Simply curious how it can be sustainable. I am not talikng producing onions on 100 square feet, I am talking producing 700 million tons of wheat organically. I am interested in how this could be done?

Okay now I've just showed my stupidity, and my lack of reading labels, I use wesson oil.

I checked my cupboard.

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I do on occasion use Smith and Wesson oil .... and that definitely isn't edible. <lol>

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By taking care of the soil and the earth instead of exploiting it to the point where it cannot produce without chemicals. There are organic operations (Horizon dairy) which are not sustainable. There are also highly successful large organic operations which are. However, in my opinion large scale farming is the cause of most of our food safety woes. If spinach were being produced by a few thousand 50 acre farms, would we have the same issues as when it is produced by only a handful of mega farms?

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Please refer back to what I wrote above.

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My husband leaves his knife sharpening oil sitting everywhere in the kitchen, I guess I'm lucky it's in a smaller bottle or that would get used too!!!...LOL

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That didn't answer the question since there are no GMO chickens.

Let's try again:

What would those be?

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Who will become these thousands of farmers? And how do you sustain agriculture on a large scale organically? My soil is getting better and better in spite of using herbicides, and fertilizers. those that do not replenish the soil are effectively mining it. Organic agriculture mines the soil. There is not enough manure to fertilize all the farmland in play today to sustain organic ag. Then what? And finally where does tainted spinach almost always come from? Organic farms.

There is no easy answer, but organic is not it... Sorry.

No cropland can keep producing without adding "chemicals"
It's called fertilizer, and ALL those harvesting crops have to replenish the soil.

"Taking care of the soil" can mean less TILLING by using herbicides to control weeds.

"Sustainable" is just a buzzword unless you specifically define what you mean by it because once it's defined, you will see it covers ALL types of crops and many different farming methods

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And we shall be waiting for explanation on how any type of farming can be eternally sustainable, Bearfoot. We will wait a long time for the answer. I don't think I will sustain myself long enough though,

Your staying power isn't my problem, lol! ;-)

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Ah, we are all humans, we all have opinions. Part of the beauty of this earth. One hopes opinions are based in real life, I guess. And yeah, I am not a quitter...lol

Amazonian Indians may have found such a system. Adding charcoal to the earth, and doing slash and burn on small plots, then moving the plot every few years seems to be what they did. The rainforest rebuilt the used plot, and so on. But I suspect you aren't looking for answers at this point, merely a way to justify current practices.

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I would like to know how the world can produce th 700 million tons of wheat needed for its survival, using organic means.

My garden is totally self sustaining, and i don't move my garden from place to place, like those indians, which is actually not sustainable.

But I have enough home grown manure, from home grown feed, to feed my garden plot indefinitely. I am not talking a sustainable homestead, I am meaning more feeding the world...

If our population densities matched theirs, it would be a viable system.
If we only fed ourselves, and no one else, it could work.

If we all lived in a jungle, and had no cities, we could do it that way.

But lets stick to reality

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I guess that is part of my point harry chickpea. It is not sustainable to move grain fields and pastures from one place to the next, to let nature replenish what we have taken out. It must be replaced on the spot to be sustainable, no?