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Old 12/28/11, 12:58 PM
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There is a huge difference between working to change things within a country where changes can be gradually made via the voting system and going against massive, multi-national corporations that buy positions within the legislative bodies of all the countries.

It might happen eventually, but not within my lifetime or yours.

Some countries are making huge leaps. Hungary set fire to all of the GMO fields and Haiti has refused all the seeds offered by big ag etc..
But those are but two small countries and they will eventually fall.. well probably fall.
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I just wanna know what oil is good to use and cook with.
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I just wanna know what oil is good to use and cook with.
I use rice bran oil. Excellent for stir fry, etc.
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From a previous post of mine:

Long story short on Canola oil. Summary:
Bioengineered from rapeseed oil, which is toxic to many people because of one component, erucic acid. That component made rapeseed a desired type of specific lubricant. That was supposedly removed in Canola, but I'd be willing to bet money the early varieties being sold only had reduced levels or had some mixed stock of seeds.

Pure unsaturated canola goes rancid faster than you can spit.

The Center for Whining in the Public Interest did a """study""" of movie theatre popcorn which totally BLASTED the use of coconut oil as a bad fat. Theatres bowed to pressure and changed to canola, which invariably smelled like dead fish. I began to get physically sick when I ate a box of popcorn, even though I had been eating the stuff for decades. Employees were getting sick more often. Customers stopped buying popcorn. It got so bad, that as a DM, I could only spend a small amount of time in some locations if they were popping corn.

Many theatre circuits switched back to coconut or peanut oil and saw sales return. Canola was then further "tweaked" to stop the rancid fish oil smell and taste. It then stopped being the same "healthful" unsaturated oil that had been promoted, but more along the lines of cottonseed and other cheap oils.

Canola was specifically engineered as a crop for Canadian farmers. It literally is a contraction of Canada Oil (ola = oil). India does have a variety of rapeseed that is used as a cooking oil. Spain had a big problem with rapeseed back a few years back.

I would use olive oil but I have a personal sensitivity to it. Even with that, I encourage people that olive oil is fine. Coconut oil, we now know, is one of the HEALTHIEST oils and is sold in health food stores. Most of the time, we use grapeseed or peanut oil. I will not use canola. At all. Ever.

I know that many people have a vested interest in growing, processing and supporting canola oil. That makes no difference to me. I spent some very miserable time because of that miserable oil, and after that experience, no amount of cajoling or "scientific" studies that I can't watch first hand to verify, are going to make me change my stance. I would rather frolic in a manure pile than be around that stuff.

There are plenty of other suitable oils. Bacon grease question

Edited to add:
The canola oil debacle is well documented in theatres. I might even still have some of the concession report breakdowns that show just how bad a hit popcorn sales took when the canola craze hit. This is not something that is even debatable.
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Old 12/28/11, 01:27 PM
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I use rice bran oil. Excellent for stir fry, etc.

I can honestly say I've never seen that oil before. I mostly use olive oil.
Is it sold in grocery stores? Have I not paid attention to the different types of oils?
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Is it at all possible.......

that there has been a confusion over canola oil and castor (bean) oil?

Castor oil and its derivatives have applications in the manufacturing of soaps, lubricants, hydraulic
and brake fluids, paints, dyes, coatings, inks, cold resistant plastics, waxes and polishes, nylon, pharmaceuticals and perfumes.

The castor seed contains ricin, a toxic protein. Harvesting castor beans is not without risk.
Allergenic compounds found on the plant surface can cause permanent nerve damage, making the
harvest of castor beans a human health risk. India, Brazil, and China are the major crop producers,
and the workers suffer harmful side effects from working with these plants. These health issues,
in addition to concerns about the toxic byproduct (ricin) from castor oil production, have
encouraged the quest for alternative sources for hydroxy fatty acids. Alternatively, some
researchers are trying to genetically modify the castor plant to prevent the synthesis of ricin.


Use as a means of intimidation in Fascist Italy

In Fascist Italy under the regime of Benito Mussolini, castor oil was one of the tools of the Blackshirts.
Political dissidents were force-fed large quantities of castor oil by Fascist squads. This technique
was said to have been originated by Gabriele D'Annunzio. Victims of this treatment did sometimes
die, as the dehydrating effects of the oil-induced diarrhea often complicated the recovery from the
nightstick beating they also received along with the castor oil; however even those victims who
survived had to bear the humiliation of the laxative effects resulting from excessive consumption of the oil.
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And it is not normal that a plant has been altered so that powerful herbicides don't kill it etc..
Well actually...........Roundup resistant weeds are starting to show up, so yes it is normal. So much so that plants can adapt all by themselves, in relatively few generations.
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Old 12/28/11, 01:44 PM
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So there is a hybrid plant called "canola", and it wasn't "genetically modified" in a lab.
Correct.

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A genetically engineered rapeseed that is tolerant to herbicide was first introduced to Canada in 1995. Today 80% of the acres sown are genetically modified canola[/I]
Which means 20% is not gmo.
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Old 12/28/11, 01:45 PM
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My Mom also used castor oil as a means of intimidation ... only she did it one spoonful at a time.

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Anyone have thoughts about sunflower oil?

We have a local farmers' co-op and I noticed gallon jugs of sunflower oil the other day. I keep thinking it's something I should look into but haven't taken the time to do it. I don't use a lot of corn, canola or veg oil but it looks like sunflower oil might be a good local alternative when I'm needing a clean tasting high smoke point oil. Any thoughts?
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I just wanna know what oil is good to use and cook with.
I like olive oil for sauteing (sp?). If I am gonna fry up some chicken fried steak, then it's soy oil all the way.

I don't use canola oil because it is crap for frying.

I am not concerned about "poisons" in my oil, just making good food.
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Old 12/28/11, 02:17 PM
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I like olive oil for sauteing (sp?). If I am gonna fry up some chicken fried steak, then it's soy oil all the way.

I don't use canola oil because it is crap for frying.

I am not concerned about "poisons" in my oil, just making good food.
And that's me too, being from the south we fry alot of food. But I try to use olive oil as much as possible for other things. But If I was poisioning my family on an unknown oil, I just didnt know Because I have used canola oil but didnt like it. I fry with vegetable oil. Thanks for the tip on soy oil, I will try it on my next batch of fried chicken.
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Old 12/28/11, 02:33 PM
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Thanks, now that I know it was the Canola that was stinky/bad tasting, I'll try Soy again ,especially for fried Chicken.
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Peanut oil also works well for frying. The turkey fryers use peanut oil and the deep fried turkey tastes just fine. It should work well with chicken I would think.
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Old 12/28/11, 02:40 PM
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Peanut oil also works well for frying. The turkey fryers use peanut oil and the deep fried turkey tastes just fine. It should work well with chicken I would think.
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We fry our turkey with peanut oil and it tastes great!!! But I havent tried it for fryin chicken. I dont recall seeing soy oil in my local grocery store. Is it only sold in the upper states? Or have I missed it?
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Nourishing Traditions has a lot of great information about canola oil.
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Peanut oil also works well for frying. The turkey fryers use peanut oil and the deep fried turkey tastes just fine. It should work well with chicken I would think.
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I used to deep fry turkey in peanut oil too,,, but its rather expensive compared to canola. Our Christmas turkey came out perfectly using the same canola oil we used last year. I did run a batch or two of french fries through the year with it too. That most likely helped preserve its flavor.
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My grandfather lived to 88 using nothing but lard from non-gene spliced pigs.

I guess we're more delicate than our forefathers.

I save bacon fat and use that for most of my frying. If I'm making an Italian dish I'll use olive oil, but that's for the flavor, not any health benefits.

My old trusty cast iron fry pans & dutch oven always have a nice coating of bacon fat or lard in them. I'll challenge any of y'all to a fry-off. Bet mine taste better.
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I personally wont say Canola is Poison someone in the Canola industry might sue me lol But far as I'm concerned its garbage.

People here say they been modifying things for centuries, yeah thats true, but my ancestors modified corn in the field, slowly over time. They didnt put fish genes, vacines and other stuff in foods, just so they will stay bright color at the food store. We know today half the GMO crap isnt properly tested, we know the GMO Soya thats leaching into non GMO soy plants is causing farmers to be sued by Monsanto.

I also notice it is in everything, and because its in everything proves it is garbage. Why because the food industry puts CHEAP into everything they sell thats processes. Why to make money. If they made quality foods and sold them to the public, they might cost alot more. I mean look its sad that pestiside free foods are more expensive, yet I can buy a can of garbage soup with enough sodium to kill you.

The funny part is people say all the stuff isnt bad for you. Then explain to me why people are dying of everything these days. Why there are so many birth defects, so many weird diseases, and allergies. I mean I read a study that GMO corn was tested to cause allergies, but they approved it anyway.

So personally, I dont trust some corporate marketing, if you listen to the corporate marketing they will tell you theres nothing wrong with plastic bags in the environment, they will tell you theres nothing leaching in plastic bottles also, tell that to the scientists who test them.

What do I use, Organic Coconut Oil, Organic Ghee which I make myself out of butter, and Olive oil which I dont fry anything with, and peanut oil for deep frying.

I also learned one thing, if it has canola in it I dont buy it, why because its probably not good for me anyway with the rest of the garbage in it. So I make things myself, and I've learned I stay healthier in the process.

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Peanut oil also works well for frying. The turkey fryers use peanut oil and the deep fried turkey tastes just fine. It should work well with chicken I would think.
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Peanut oil is what I use now. It is getting harder to find it in bulk,easy to find in a Peanut oil mix.,but I like the pure peanut oil.
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