victimless crime

Who said anything about an intersection?
Did I?
What intersection? Were you there and know more about the accident than I?
Who said anything about anyone coming towards them?
Me?
Where in that paragraph?
Pray, do highlight it from my original, and re-post those for me as I seem to not be able to find either of those statements in MY post.
Maybe you should re-read the post, hmmm?

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Nina's Grammy

It would be a clear violation of the interstate commerce clause. Besides, if someone were to break into your house and pass you in the dark they might sustain an injury. No, way too dangerous.

You got me on that one. Even laughed out loud. Thanks.

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Nina's Grammy

"Let's get real here. DUI laws are for the people like me that get broadsided by a guy at 7 am that just got out of the bar (yes, 7 am) and thought that line of traffic was just going really slow so he should pass them all when in fact someone was turning left (me)."

I will admit details you placed in the description were scanty.... but the word broadsided normally indicates someone like you who gets hit by another car. Then when we skip on down to how someone (you) was making a left turn.... and most folks tend to assume that you were not crossing traffic to drive into the barrow pit. In either case... intersection or barrowpit... most folks would think it prudent to check to see if there are any cars coming toward them.... in order to avoid being broadsided.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

I guess that's true if you consider the violation of the Constitution a victimless crime. BTW, just because somebody speaks up against YOUR favorite violations of the Constitution doesn't mean they are "whining about being offended".

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"I don't want everyone to like me; I should think less of myself if some people did."
— Henry James

I think someone came from behind her to pass on the left, hitting her broadside as she turned left. Happens all the time. Though most people who do it are not drunk, just jerks.

We could go round and round with this. I typed this quickly and not sure if what I am trying to say gets through.

Say a parent of young children uses drugs to the point of stupidity and they unable to care for their children. At that point, are the parents only harming themselves? But, their children could have physical, emotional, and mental ailments as a result of lack of care by their parents. So, in this case, aren't the children "victims"?

Now if we toss the parents in jail for using drugs we are punishing them for a victimless crime, so we can't do that? So what do we do? Throw them in jail for being unable to support their children, right? So now we are punishing someone for creating a victim. Cool!

Now don't forget some children are victims pf parents who made bad decisions not even related to drugs. For instance parents who never graduated from high school, chose not to go to college, who are stuck in dead-end, low-paying jobs. If they are laid off and can't find work due to their lack of skills, their poor decisions resulted in their children becoming victims. So off they go.

I guess what Ia m trying to say is that nobody is independent. We are all inter-dependent. The decisions, good and bad, we make will always affect someone else, too. The affects may not be dramatic, but they exist. It's just a matter of who we are willing to accept as victims.

Hmmm I am somewhat familiar with our Constitution... but Ill be durned if I can recall anything in it that has anything to do with listening to a prayer before a ballgame or a nativity scene.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

thats what I was kinda thinkin.... but since I wasnt there.... I dont know if this happened in a marked no passing zone... or very much else about it.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

I don't think any one wants laws till some one breaks them and they hurt you, then they want the book thrown at the guy.

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squashnut & bassketcher

Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

Well it doesn't really matter if it is a passing zone or not if someone in front of you is turning left, as long as they signal their turn. The person turning also has a responsibility to check behind them to be sure no one is passing them before they make the turn, though.

OK, let me draw you a picture. I was on a two lane road. There were no cars coming TOWARDS me when I started to make my turn. Suddenly I am hit broadside by a drunk driver passing what he thought were just slow drivers. Now, if he wasn't coming TOWARDS me where do you suppose he was coming from? Wait, let me help you with that. He came from BEHIND. He PASSED the slow cars that were slowing down because I was turning left into my driveway and hit be broadside in my driver side door.

And where is the logic of using this story if the guy was coming towards me and I turned in front of him? That would be clearly my fault and not the fault of the other driver, drunk or not.

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Nina's Grammy

Good example. The children are not victims of drugs, they are victims of neglect.

I don't know, I knew my mother before and after the drugs. It's was the drugs.

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squashnut & bassketcher

Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

Ok, he was indeed coming towards you then... just not head on... else he couldnt possibly have hit you. Coming from behind a slow moving "line of cars" its very likely that he thought he could safely pass them.... and may well have been able to if one of them had not pulled out into his lane of traffic. Based only what you have described here I see nothing that indicates alcohol as the culprit.... a few cars between you and him can easily obscure your turn signal. He would therefor have no way of knowing you were fixing to turn left. Only you would have known that.... therefor it would have been prudent on your part to make sure no one was coming toward you.... from the side, the back the front or any place else before you proceed with your turn. I am not saying the guy was blameless either... he should not have been driving so fast on any road that he could not see was clear in front of him and would remain clear in the time it would take him to stop, thus avoiding accidents. Passing on country roads is not considered a crime, neither is making a left turn into a driveway. This is clearly a case of two people not paying close enough attention to what was going on around them. Most two vehicle "accidents" are although depending upon the cop who arrives..... blame will almost always be affixed to one or the other. Had either party in this case been watching carefully... there would have been no "accident". Again, my opinion here is based solely on facts presented.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

Around here they use that one a lot. They will stop people for careless driving. If they can't find anything else to ticket or arrest you they will say this is just a warning. If, after you are stopped for supposedly careless driving, they can find anything else to ticket you for they will add careless driving to the pile.

Unless the road was marked "no passing" there is normally little reason not to pass slow moving traffic..... if the other lane is clear. one or two cars between them and a turn signal is nearly always going to be concealed. This gets risky for everyone involved... in my mind our left turning vehicle really has an obligation to check and make sure no one is coming from any direction before turning into the passing lane.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

The cops use that term around here too.... but lets be honest.... there is a LOT of careless driving going on too!

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

Most laws on the books today are victimless crimes.

Unless there is property damage or harm done to another, there is no crime. We have turned intent, accidents and thoughts into crimes. There is no crime without action.

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Black Rabbit Engineering

OK, here ya go. So what do you think? Was he wrong or am I still supposed to take the blame for the accident?

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Nina's Grammy