victimless crime

Then the solution is to ban motor cycles, huh.

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Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

I am inclined to agree with you so long as all children are required by law to be put into car seat and seat belts.

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Actually its not even 20 percent.... you have to look closer to get to the real number of accidents "caused" by drunk drivers. According to all the data I have seen about traffic fatalities and injuries are compiled as alcohol related... not cause. Then when one looks closer you will find that alcohol related means that one or more of the drivers had alcohol in their blood stream or in the vehicle.... but not necessarily was the driver intoxicated or actually made the blunder that caused the accident.

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When you have people whining about being "offended" about an American Flag,Nativity scene, celebrating in the end zone,Praying before a sports game....Victimless crime needs to be worried about a bit later.

On this I disagree. IMHO people who drive drunk should have the three strikes you're out rule applied to them. Get caught three times, go to prison for 5 years and be required to go through programs for alcoholism, irresponsible driving, or both.

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or we could stop using taxpayer money to pay for the treatment and care of those injured.

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lemme guess.... you are a non drinker?

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Excellent point.... having to listen to a prayer before a ball game.... now we are talking real victims!!!

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I drink very sparingly. Maybe one bottle of dark beer a month...or less. I do not like to feel as though I am not in complete control of my faculties, have kids to tend to, and can't afford it.

I do think there should be more public transportation, monorails maybe in areas which are suited to them. My guess is that if people had a safe way to get home from the bar that didn't cost a fortune (like cabs do in rural areas), they would use it.

We have a LOT of drunk driving and drunk driving accidents here and I find it infuriating. When people drive drunk, text, are irresponsible or aggressive on the road, they are putting the lives of my children at risk, and that is NOT ok with me. >:-(

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On the helmet laws. Statistically the health care system spends more on the rider who survives as opposed to one who dies due to not wearing a helmet.

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Some folks are well off. I'm just a little off.

Ya'll should set down the shot glasses and step away from your keyboards.

Helmet laws are stupid and can cause accidents also, ie cigarette butt flicked out of a car window and landing inside a helmet, bee stuck in a helmet, false sense of security like Squashnut thinking that a helmet will protect your entire body--How Can That Work???? REALLY?

Let's get real here. DUI laws are for the people like me that get broadsided by a guy at 7 am that just got out of the bar (yes, 7 am) and thought that line of traffic was just going really slow so he should pass them all when in fact someone was turning left (me). Turns out he had 12 outstanding tickets, the tags on his car belonged to someone else's car and his license had been suspended for 3 previous DUI's. Don't get me wrong, I have had plenty of Petron nights. PLENTY! Designated drivers folks. Solves a lot of heartaches and high insurance rates.

What you are considering victimless crimes are in actuality NOT.

A victimless crime would be the guy that gets a ticket for jaywalking.

Even the laws protecting us from ourselves do serve a purpose. I don't know many people that have absolutely no family or friends. What happens to you impacts others whether it be taking care of you when you get home from the hospital after your accident where you hit a parking post and flew through the windshield, or taking you everywhere you need to go because your license has been revoked because you ran up onto someone else's lawn drunk one too many times. Someone else is impacted.

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*law that says I can't have chickens on my property.
*law that says I can't have veggie plants in my front yard.

No, ban people!

texting, playing with makeup, talking on cell phones, speeding... which is often the case even when driving below the posted limit due to driving conditions... and a host of other things are all irresponsible.... so why do we as a society single out the fellow who has had a few drinks on his way home from work to penalize? particularly when he does NOT participate in irresponsible driving habits such as those named above or even get involved in an accident... much less cause one. Why not go after the people responsible for the accidents instead? You know.... the ones that actually pose a threat to your kids.

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I am one of those that don't think the dwi laws are strong enough.
Couple of years back we were heading east out of town and there was a log truck coming out of the resturant parking lot, almost hit 2 cars, one going each way.
We pulled off the road to go back and find a phone so we could call it in. By the time we got it called in the full log truck had hit town and a pick up killing the driver.
Come to find out he had just gotten out of jail for dwi. For what ever reason they hadn't revoked the log truck drivers license for his first DWI.

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We have way too many laws, period, growing out of laws that have grown out of other laws.

A good example is the latest focus on texting while driving and now on using the cell phone at all while driving. And now we are hearing that we need to do something about "distracted" drivingWhere will it end? My guess is more laws upon more laws accompanied by increases in the need for more and more law-enforcement and court resources (more and more money out of your pocket) and more and more reasons for government to invade virtually every aspect of your life in the interest of "opublic saftey" -- the great catch-all reason for so many government actions these days.

"A great example is when the law against texting while driving was passed in Nashville, TN, the local police began using un marked SUVs so they could look down into people's vehicles to see if they were texting -- one policeman driving while another in the passenger seat peeks down into cars. I wonder, what did it take to put these SUVs into service and what are we paying both the driver and the "peeker?"

But here's my main point: For many, many years, we've had a "Careless Driving" law on the books that, I assume, would apply to anyone driving carelessly, whether they are yapping on the cell, texting, putting on makeup, playing with the radio, turning around to whup one of the kids in the back seat, reading while driving, (eating while driving?) etc.

We've got plenty enough laws on the books. We don't need more.

agreed

I have to wonder why someone would pull into an intersection to make a left turn without checking to see if anyone was coming towards them first. My dear departed grampa always said the highway to hades is strewn with the bodies of folks who had the right of way.
I suppose that depends upon ones definition of "victim"

So pedestrians wandering about aimlessly in our streets pose no threat to motorists?

ahh yes, the butterfly effect... of course every action a person makes has its affects on those around them.... but should we really outlaw every possible action that may or may not have a negative affect upon someone somewhere..... no matter how slight that affect may be? Lets have a look at prostitution for example.... what harm is there in a simple clear cut business transaction between two consenting adults? how does the exchange of money make it so different than two consenting adults doing exactly the same thing with no money exchanged?

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Victimless crime? You mean like punching a guy in the dark?

I guess we could invent a full body helmet, But it would look more like a car. So no more motor cycles.

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punching a guy in the dark has a victim... punching an imaginary guy in the dark does not. Although if word gets out that someone is punching imaginary people in the dark some meddling busybody will get a law passed against that too. LOL

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