What are you willing to give up?

SHHHH! You're starting to sound like an Occupier! Pretty soon they will be a posse formed in here to sat you in a corner with a sign that says, "Ignorant dirty hippie with no morals, values or right to be heard".


I love how some folks in here think Obama is the one who started overlapping programs...or vacations.

What would I give up? Outside of things like roads, libraries and other public services, I'm not taking much from the government.

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I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one.

I also believe that workers need Unions as much as gun owners need the NRA.

Untill we quit thinking we are taking things from the goverment and realize they are the ones taking from us, we're cooked.

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squashnut & bassketcher

Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

Trying real hard to think of any Federal govt service I use... and for the life of me, the only one I can actually think of providing a service to me is the Military... keeping the foreign heathens at bay.

So, let's keep the military. Also, the Federal Land Management agencies (BLM, USFS, NPS, USFWS)..... that land is land owned by all of us. I know some strict "constitutionalists" want to rid of us public land. Problem is, if we rid ourselves of it, it will be private land, and I can guarandangtee you, if it's private, there wont be any redneck ----------s stepping foot on it, ever again.

The rest of the Fed? Get rid of it.

The States can take over roads and bridges. Welfare will fall upon the individuals themselves or local charities (and those not 'worthy', will find life difficult... as I'd imagine, the morally bankrupt would find life difficult, depending on the well off morally bankrupt to support their sloth lifestyles).

Real simple, right?

How to fund the military? Import duties. Universal service (ala Israel's universal service), without pay (room and board only). Those not fit, would do service inside the country, no exceptions (except for the mentally disabled).

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Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Seneca
Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. W. Edwards Deming

*I'd pay higher medical premiums since we also have Tricare like the OP.
*I'd be willing to only have mail delivery once a week or have to go to the Post Office to pick it up.
*I'd be willing to take care of my own trash. We live in the city and are required to have trash service that we pay for---$30 per month.

I just don't think I should be ask to give up anything as long as the President spends $4 million on his familys cChristmas vacation budget! Lets start at the top and let them give up some before we do! Our Christmas budget was less than $500 and that was not getting anyone anything very expensive believe me.

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His house is in the village tho...."

this is not true maybe you should look up the definition of benefit.

we all benefit in some way from some federal spending.
EPA
FDA
border control
military
CDC
CIA
FBI
treasury
SEC
the list goes on though some of us may think we receive little/no benefit from the government we all receive some.
we are so ingrained against welfare type benefits that our thoughts of other benefits of living in a civilized society escape us.

I'm on the side that there is no need to give up anything other then waste and abuse in the current system to increase its efficiency.

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Greg

I agree this is nothing but a ruse started by the wasters so we don't talk about them.
but That also includes those who give out welfare like it is water. With no thought to those who pay the taxes.
It's not right to give it to able bodied people when those who really need it are suffering.

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squashnut & bassketcher

Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

How about we just continue along the way we have been going.
Won't nothing bad happen.
We can depend on the politicians to save us, after all they have our best interest in mind.
They are only protecting us from ourselves.

pancho I honestly believe that is what most here as well as the general population desire's. sure everyone wants change but few are willing to work for that change. it is much easier to come here and complain. it is much easier to come up with reasons why we can't do something. it is much easier to give up something someone else gets, but don't touch what "I" get.

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Greg

Exactly. It is always easier for someone else to give something up.

Well ok, If some one else is getting food stamps and they are inflating the dollar to pay for it. Haven't I already given some thing up? How much more should I have to give up?
Every time I go to the store and spend $50 plus more on my groceries (while getting $50 or more less in value) , I have to give up my snacks, then butter, then ..... lunch meat and on and on.
I think it's their turn to give some thing up. Time for them to buy their own.

I could see the takers sucking up every thing the makers gave up. "It's like we are being conned" ah, nah that would never happen or would it?.

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squashnut & bassketcher

Champagne D Argent, White New Zealand & Californian Cross Rabbits

That is a very legitimate question.
Yes, they did! I learned more home schooling them than I did when I was in school!! All 3 kids scored well above average on their ACT and SAT. My oldest is in college. My middle is being pursued by a handful of colleges (with lots of scholarship dollars in hand WHOO HOO) and my youngest is applying at colleges as we speak! It is very interesting how often their public/privately educated peers asked them for assistant on their homework!!

I will assume it was a legitimate question and not a nasty jab! :-)

I guess that's the way I looked at the question.......I see a 'benefit' as something that I get 'for nothing' or a 'kick back / bonus' for a minimal contribution.
I pay up the wazoo in taxes for my services.......so I consider those services I have paid for??

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The movie Rudy

I will be hard, but I can give up Congress and the office of President.

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I am me. I like me. Please don't try to change me.

Hmmm I am not so sure we need anarchy... or what normally fills a power void when a standing government is suddenly overthrown. I will go along with replacing those who currently hold those offices with some new talent though.

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Sure, but is the benefit commensurate with the cost?

The US/Canadian border is the longest undefended border in the world. It is probably also the most porous. You can either walk or canoe across the border unmolested just about anywhere. Does the Border Patrol checkpoints really provide any benefit?

Most states have their own EPA so the US dept could be scaled down to the size needed for interstate issues.

Why do we need the FDA to deal with food when the USDA already does this? Clear redundancy here.

The CDC has become a political arm used to advance gun control, anti-tobacco legislation, and other special interests. Let's cut them to the point that they only have enough money to do what was originally intended.

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi


Libertarindependent

This was not a nasty jab.Our local home schooled children do very well overall,but there are a few families that are weeded out once in a while because they abuse the system.

I'm willing to give up the hours the local and state police use to catch speeder's.
I am willing to give up TSA completely.
I am willing to give up the Patriot Act.
I am willing to give up foreign aid.
I am willing to give up the military keeping me safe in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc

I'm willing to give up Reality shows on TV -- oh wait, that's not the government - that's ok, get rid of them all.

I agree, except for reality TV. Instead let's tax the heck out of it. We could call it "the stupid tax" or something like that.

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Flaming Xtian
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi


Libertarindependent

Yes!!!! Let's have a stupid tax!!
Run for office, tinknal!
You would win by a landslide, because no-one knows they're stupid!!!

I think that light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming freight train!

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Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Seneca
Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. W. Edwards Deming