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Ooooh NickieL, you stepped in it! You forgot that some people will defend Monsanto with their dying breath. And that it doesn't matter how many reputable sources you post info from it's all just smoke and mirrors and bad press toward a company only because it is successful. Never mind the fact that rBGH is rarely used now because it harmed the cows or that there are now some superweeds or the fact that new herbicides which don't break down are killing gardens and trees.
But on behalf of those who want this information; thank you for the link.
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Ooooh NickieL, you stepped in it! You forgot that some people will defend Monsanto with their dying breath. And that it doesn't matter how many reputable sources you post info from it's all just smoke and mirrors and bad press toward a company only because it is successful. Never mind the fact that rBGH is rarely used now because it harmed the cows or that there are now some superweeds or the fact that new herbicides which don't break down are killing gardens and trees.
But on behalf of those who want this information; thank you for the link.
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they can defend it all they want. They are still wrong though  lol
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There isn't any crops we raise today that hasn't been changed by man.
If crops were left the same as when we first started cultivating them there would be a lot fewer people in the U.S. Many of them would have starved to death.
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12/22/11, 05:45 PM
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There isn't any crops we raise today that hasn't been changed by man.
If crops were left the same as when we first started cultivating them there would be a lot fewer people in the U.S. Many of them would have starved to death.
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yes, and I have NO problem with that. I have a problem with un-naturally splicing poisons into crops, then blocking any labeling of those crops so people don't know, and pattening those crops so nobody can save their own seeds anymore, then forcing other countries to buy those potentially harmful crops.
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There isn't any crops we raise today that hasn't been changed by man.
If crops were left the same as when we first started cultivating them there would be a lot fewer people in the U.S. Many of them would have starved to death.
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Very true. And there are more companies doing the same thing other then this Monsanto that everyone seems to sentence every time a subject tike this comes. up. There are others just as big into genetics and chemicals just as much as Monsanto is. Monsanto is not the bad guy.
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12/22/11, 06:13 PM
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I can't wait till we get rid of Monsanto and all commercial farming once and for all.... along with about 6 billion folks that depend upon them. The world will have time to heal, global warming will no longer be a concern, and anyone surviving will be able to do whatever they please!
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I third this!
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Nice of all the people that want 6 Billion to Die~! Nice Christians at Christmas time..
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I want the billions of people who have contracted cancer or other poison related illnesses to not be sick or have to die from it. 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Maybe if there was less food to waste people wouldn't be so wasteful.
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Nice of all the people that want 6 Billion to Die~! Nice Christians at Christmas time..
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I am very happy you have come out with strong support of Monsanto. It doesn't surprise me. Just for the record, I think it fair that people take a close look at just what this corporation and you, arabian knight, represents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Believe it, if there was such a movement to kill 6 billion people, Monsanto would quickly move to make the product and make a profit from it.
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12/22/11, 07:15 PM
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You are wrongly assuming that everyone will simply lay down and die. I doubt that. More and more ground would be turned up and planted to crops, even environmentally fragil areas. Much more fuel would be needed to cultivate without weed killers. More erosion and loss of top soil due to cultivation. Irrigation would be a way to increase yeilds, exhausting our water table.Sensitive grasslands would be needed to grow corn and soybeans. Highly erodable lands would be needed as crop land.
The earth has been through a few Global Warming and just aas many Ice Ages. All without our weak efforts. One Mt St. Helen threw up more gasses and soot than every tail pipe for the past 100 years.
You depend on Monsanto and the modern agriculture that goes with it. Because when it fails, a few of those 6 billion people are gonna come and gobble you up, Mmmmmm..... Texan....
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Yes but the net effect of a volcano has a cooling effect; why are we still warming hmm? Is your flawed beliefs of GW also corresponding to your love of these satanic seeds of which no one actually knows if they're safe or not? Al studies are done by the biotech industry. This is a blatant conflict of interest and a blind man could see it.
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12/22/11, 07:29 PM
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Very true. And there are more companies doing the same thing other then this Monsanto that everyone seems to sentence every time a subject tike this comes. up. There are others just as big into genetics and chemicals just as much as Monsanto is. Monsanto is not the bad guy.
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so if you and your brother jump off a cliff, does it make it alright because you both did it?
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Is your flawed beliefs of GW also corresponding to your love of these satanic seeds of which no one actually knows if they're safe or not?
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Could you translate that into English please?
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Al studies are done by the biotech industry
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Then all the negative reports must be made up lies if there have been no independent studies?
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Satanic seeds? Into melodrama, eh?
Monsanto is a 900 pound gorilla of a company, and sure some of their actions come off as bullying, but they are not at the center of some conspiracy to destroy the world.
The development of genetically engineered crops have allowed more food to be produced with less fuel, chemicals, etc. Personally, I am a little uneasy about tinkering with the building blocks of life, too, but you can't deny the benefits to humanity that these products have delivered. And if there was harm that could be conclusively proved to be caused by consuming these products, there would be a looooooong line of lawyers with lawsuit filings in hand to get at some of their money. Has that happened? No.
So if you don't want to use their products, don't. There are alternatives. But don't kid yourself that by bad-mouthing them you are on some crusade to better the world, either.
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12/22/11, 07:58 PM
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I'ts an interesting article, all right, but it's only one side of the story, which happens to be told by a company hawking heirloom seeds.
Here is the other side. I'm pretty simple minded, so I had to read the cable several times, but still had a tough time seeing exactly, where is was a conspiracy.
I'm sure though that those who want to see a conspiracy, will surely see one.
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07PARIS515.html#
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Satanic seeds? Into melodrama, eh?
Monsanto is a 900 pound gorilla of a company, and sure some of their actions come off as bullying, but they are not at the center of some conspiracy to destroy the world.
The development of genetically engineered crops have allowed more food to be produced with less fuel, chemicals, etc. Personally, I am a little uneasy about tinkering with the building blocks of life, too, but you can't deny the benefits to humanity that these products have delivered. And if there was harm that could be conclusively proved to be caused by consuming these products, there would be a looooooong line of lawyers with lawsuit filings in hand to get at some of their money. Has that happened? No.
So if you don't want to use their products, don't. There are alternatives. But don't kid yourself that by bad-mouthing them you are on some crusade to better the world, either.
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I'd love to NOT use the products....except they don't label them!!!!
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12/22/11, 08:41 PM
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I'd love to NOT use the products....except they don't label them!!!!
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Sure they do - doesn't it say Monsanto on every sack of seeds??
I suspect you mean labeling at the retail level, telling you if there are any GM ingredients in a product. How can Monsanto be responsible for that? If they sold the seeds, they are supposed to also be responsible for tracking and labeling the crop that was grown with them?? The folks who buy, sell and ship grain by the millions of tons don't want to have to keep it segregated. That's why it isn't on the label. So if you want to make sure that one kernel of GM corn never passes your lips, you will likely have to buy direct from a producer or buy some of the organic and other specialty products who state on their packaging that they use heirloom varieties.
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12/22/11, 10:07 PM
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Sure they do - doesn't it say Monsanto on every sack of seeds??
I suspect you mean labeling at the retail level, telling you if there are any GM ingredients in a product. How can Monsanto be responsible for that? If they sold the seeds, they are supposed to also be responsible for tracking and labeling the crop that was grown with them?? The folks who buy, sell and ship grain by the millions of tons don't want to have to keep it segregated. That's why it isn't on the label. So if you want to make sure that one kernel of GM corn never passes your lips, you will likely have to buy direct from a producer or buy some of the organic and other specialty products who state on their packaging that they use heirloom varieties.
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And that's just the problem. People don't even know that they're not eating real sugar, or that an enormous amount of antibiotics and hormones are in their milk, and that all their food contains GM ingredients. Thus, it ultimately is a veil pulled over the general public's eyes, and is therefore immoral, deceptive, and vile. Since attempts to label GM products are usurped, the only answer is that politicians do not want to go against agribusiness's wants, and thus is a conflict of interest. Keep on using the veil, though, looks great on you,
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Monsanto has made huge contributions to politicians who have been instrumental in keeping GMO and rGBH info off food labels. When companies did put that info on their products Monsanto (along with other companies) jumped into an anti-information lawsuit.
No, I'm not going to waste my time posting links or looking it up to post links. Those who want to know the info can google "monsanto label gmo products lawsuit" and come up with tons of dirt and fines levied against Monsanto and a few other companies. Those who support Monsanto will dispute the facts behind each link.
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And that's just the problem. People don't even know that they're not eating real sugar, or that an enormous amount of antibiotics and hormones are in their milk, and that all their food contains GM ingredients. Thus, it ultimately is a veil pulled over the general public's eyes, and is therefore immoral, deceptive, and vile. Since attempts to label GM products are usurped, the only answer is that politicians do not want to go against agribusiness's wants, and thus is a conflict of interest. Keep on using the veil, though, looks great on you,
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Enormous amounts of antibiotics and hormones in milk? You sure must have a low opinion of dairy farmers. I think they are some of the hardest working and most devoted folks in the ag world! I believe that anyone who cares enough to live and breathe milking cows 3 times a day is gonna care enough to follow the withdrawal time limits if they have to give antibiotics. As to hormones, I assume you mean BST and there is milk in the case that is BST-free if that is what you want. The milk I buy for my own family is from a local dairy that doesn't use BST and bottles their own milk on the farm. It comes in glass jugs and it is twice the price of the commodity milk. But I like it better so I buy it. But I have also drunk plenty of commodity milk in my life and suffered no ill effects. Everyone can make their own choices. But we don't have to get all hysterical about the products we don't care to use. When I choose an organic or non-conventional food product, I do it because I believe it is better. Not because I am scared of the other products or have some irrational grudge against them.
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I wonder if the GMO's have been used long enough to know what they can do to a person or what it won't do. people have a right to at least wait till they really know, instead of finding after the fact. Same with pharmicuticals..
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