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No, but you should be able to depend on the police to get your body out of a wrecked car before the car explodes, instead of standing there watching it. Or have the police prevent the accident in the first place by directing traffic, or by having a salt truck salt down icy roads, ect.
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Not the same, no ones life is in danger when an empty house is burning down.
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12/09/11, 01:33 AM
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Not the same, no ones life is in danger when an empty house is burning down.
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Car might not explode either but they should at least run the plates to see if it is insured before rendering service 
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12/09/11, 01:35 AM
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Car might not explode either but they should at least run the plates to see if it is insured before rendering service |
Private auto insurance isn't the same as government services.
ETA: Besides, if you were in the car the cop would pull you out. If you were in the burning house the Fire Dept would go in and get you. (or they would all try)
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12/09/11, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by InvalidID
Private auto insurance isn't the same as government services.
ETA: Besides, if you were in the car the cop would pull you out. If you were in the burning house the Fire Dept would go in and get you. (or they would all try)
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You an't lived in South Fulton yet  But is nice to know the South Fulton VOLUNTEER F D is a gov.service . 
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12/09/11, 01:53 AM
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You an't lived in South Fulton yet But is nice to know the South Fulton VOLUNTEER F D is a gov.service . |
No, I haven't lived there. I do think a volunteer FD is still a government service. Who pays to train the volunteers? Who equips them? Who bought the truck and the fire house?
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12/09/11, 09:04 AM
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I guess we should stop volunteering to fight fires at all and let the government take care of us. Sounds like a deal to me I will lose no money time or risk my life to protect the others. Just let the government take care of us and not have to worry about insurance mortgage payments and such.
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Sorry you are not volunteering to fight fires if you do as this fire department did..
So don't even go there! A volunteer does it to help others, but these fire fighters and the department aren't volunteers, since they want paid first..
That is the biggest problem I have with this story..
If you don't want to help put out the fire, then get the "devil" off my property and leave.. If you stop me from doing what I need to do then there will be Hades to pay... If you are only there to protect the neighbors property then get onto their property and get out of the way....
These clowns aren't volunteers! They are a sorry bunch of people who care only for the money.. Which makes them paid fire fighters...
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12/09/11, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by InvalidID
No, I haven't lived there. I do think a volunteer FD is still a government service. Who pays to train the volunteers? Who equips them? Who bought the truck and the fire house?
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We had a volunteer FD in Haleyville AL when my home burned. We didn't pay a fee for them, taxes bought equipment and the firemen volunteered their time.
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12/09/11, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by beowoulf90
Sorry you are not volunteering to fight fires if you do as this fire department did..
So don't even go there! A volunteer does it to help others, but these fire fighters and the department aren't volunteers, since they want paid first..
That is the biggest problem I have with this story..
If you don't want to help put out the fire, then get the "devil" off my property and leave.. If you stop me from doing what I need to do then there will be Hades to pay... If you are only there to protect the neighbors property then get onto their property and get out of the way....
These clowns aren't volunteers! They are a sorry bunch of people who care only for the money.. Which makes them paid fire fighters...
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Yep, that's my thoughts on it exactly. What gets me is no one wants to listen to the person who has the most info on this, seeing as he lives in the area. Sawmill Jim has tried to explain what is really happening, but no one wants to listen.
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12/09/11, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sonshine
No, but you should be able to depend on the police to get your body out of a wrecked car before the car explodes, instead of standing there watching it. Or have the police prevent the accident in the first place by directing traffic, or by having a salt truck salt down icy roads, ect.
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And the firemen would have helped bring out any persons that were in this burning house also. So whats the point here?
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12/09/11, 09:24 AM
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And the firemen would have helped bring out any persons that were in this burning house also. So whats the point here?
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The point is that last year a beloved pet died in a house fire in this same town. The point is, that losing a home in the dead of winter or anytime for that matter, is traumatic and devastating. The point is, if you are going to "volunteer" to put out fires then don't go and watch a person's home burn to the ground and do nothing to help.
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12/09/11, 09:25 AM
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I still say most of you are missing the bigger point. This is a classic example of people thinking the government should protect them from their own actions, i.e. limit their freedom.
This family knew about the fee. They had the freedom to either pay the fee or not. They did compared the cost vs benefits well before the fire. Then they WILLINGLY and freely made the decision not to pay the fee.
I find it strange that people here scream and shout about how wrong it is for the government to force people to buy health insurance but have no problem demanding those same people be forced to pay for 'fire insurance' when its clear the people in the area do not wish to do this. If the people did they would vote to raise their taxes and fund a fire department.
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12/09/11, 09:29 AM
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I still say most of you are missing the bigger point. This is a classic example of people thinking the government should protect them from their own actions, i.e. limit their freedom.
This family knew about the fee. They had the freedom to either pay the fee or not. They did compared the cost vs benefits well before the fire. Then they WILLINGLY and freely made the decision not to pay the fee.
I find it strange that people here scream and shout about how wrong it is for the government to force people to buy health insurance but have no problem demanding those same people be forced to pay for 'fire insurance' when its clear the people in the area do not wish to do this. If the people did they would vote to raise their taxes and fund a fire department.
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12/09/11, 09:34 AM
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I don't think we're missing the bigger point. IMO this isn't about government, but about people helping people. If my neighbor's home was burning I would do everything humanly possible to help them put the fire out. How much more could I do if I had the proper training? It seems like so many of you are only focusing on the whole "nanny state" issue that you are forgetting the moral issues. I thank God that I have neighbors who would help my family if my home ever caught fire. So, let me ask all those who are supportive of the "volunteers" standing around watching someone's home burn, if you were their neighbor, would you just stand and watch everything they own be destroyed?
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12/09/11, 09:38 AM
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I still say most of you are missing the bigger point. This is a classic example of people thinking the government should protect them from their own actions, i.e. limit their freedom.
This family knew about the fee. They had the freedom to either pay the fee or not. They did compared the cost vs benefits well before the fire. Then they WILLINGLY and freely made the decision not to pay the fee.
I find it strange that people here scream and shout about how wrong it is for the government to force people to buy health insurance but have no problem demanding those same people be forced to pay for 'fire insurance' when its clear the people in the area do not wish to do this. If the people did they would vote to raise their taxes and fund a fire department.
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Id say that those who object are not MISSING the point.... We just dont agree with you. It doesnt mean we have not weighed the value of what you said and gave it a fair consideration but for me specifically its not good enough.
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12/09/11, 09:45 AM
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Just my opinion.
If you want to call yourself a fireman and ride around in the fire truck you should be willing to put out fires. If, for any reason, you decide that you would rather watch a house burn than try to put it out, you should get off the fire truck and let someone who really wants to be a fireman take your place.
Watching a house burn down because the owners didn't pay protection money seems more like the mafia or gangs than firemen.
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12/09/11, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sonshine
I don't think we're missing the bigger point. IMO this isn't about government, but about people helping people. If my neighbor's home was burning I would do everything humanly possible to help them put the fire out. How much more could I do if I had the proper training? It seems like so many of you are only focusing on the whole "nanny state" issue that you are forgetting the moral issues. I thank God that I have neighbors who would help my family if my home ever caught fire. So, let me ask all those who are supportive of the "volunteers" standing around watching someone's home burn, if you were their neighbor, would you just stand and watch everything they own be destroyed?
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The fire fighters were not the trailer residents neighbors. They were a subscription fire service responding from a nearby municipality to paying subscribers neighboring the trailer residents property and to ensure those who chose not to subscribe for fire protection were not in the trailer.
After the fire department verified no human life was at risk they went about protecting the property of subscribers against the ill made decision of their neighbors in the trailer.
If you were to read follow ups on this story you would see that the trailer residents actually accept the responsibility for their loss and admit that they should have purchased the extended area response coverages instead of taking the cheap way out gamble they did.
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12/09/11, 10:37 AM
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Here is an article with a bit more information:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...ers-didnt-pay/
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Rural residents who want fire protection can get service from the nearby town of South Fulton, but they must pay a $75 a year fee. South Fulton Mayor David Crocker said that if the city's firefighters responded to people who didn't pay there would be no incentive for anyone to subscribe. He said firefighters will help when people are in danger, regardless of whether they have paid.
Bell said she wasn't angry with the city. "Like I said, I'm just happy they came out and watched out for my neighbors," she said to CBS Radio News. She believes no amount of help from firefights would have prevented her trailer from burning to the ground. She added the city has offered to help in any way they can.
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And this article states that most of the rural residents don't bother to pay for fire protection, even though it is offered.
http://rt.com/usa/news/home-pay-fire-bell-299/
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"After the last situation, I would hope that everybody would be well aware of the rural fire fees, this time," he adds to the Tennessean.
Benny McGuire, the mayor of Obion County where Bell and her boyfriend live, tells WPSD-TV that the whole thing isn’t even up for debate.
"To me, it's not an issue. To me it's like car insurance. If you have a car, you pay insurance. If you want protection, you pay the price."
Bell adds that most residents of her neighborhood don’t pay the insurance. She says she simply never thought she would need to.
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12/09/11, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by InvalidID
Not the same, no ones life is in danger when an empty house is burning down.
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Not necessarily true, but probably true in this case.
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12/09/11, 11:53 AM
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We had a volunteer FD in Haleyville AL when my home burned. We didn't pay a fee for them, taxes bought equipment and the firemen volunteered their time.
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Yes, you paid property taxes in your town, and your town had a FD. That's not the case in this story though. In this case the FD told people outside of town who aren't paying into the FD through taxes that they need to pay 75 a year for service.
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