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where I want to 11/24/11 12:35 AM

Can't we do anything without China?
 
I was reading about the possible toxicity of some dog treats imported from China when I remembered this item I heard on the news.
While fresh apples are almost all grown in the US, 2/3 of the apple concentrate is produced in China. This means that almost all of those wonderful all-american things like apple juices, many prepared foods, etc are using Chinese produce and you can't tell.
I hate this.

naturelover 11/24/11 02:09 AM

Sure, there is something simple you can do about it if you hate it. Just stop being a consumer of convenient, cheap food products that are not fresh and prepared by yourself. What is so difficult about that?

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Bearfootfarm 11/24/11 03:45 AM

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Just stop being a consumer of convenient, cheap food products that are not fresh and prepared by yourself. What is so difficult about that?
That works for me

TheMartianChick 11/24/11 09:13 AM

On juice bottles, it tells you the country of origin... I usually find the information near the neck of the bottle. Locally, there are 2 grocery store chains that I won't buy apple juice at because all of the store brand juice is sourced from Chinese concentrate. I buy Wegmans store brand of apple juice because it is sourced from US and Canada. We still check the source everytime we buy because you never know when someone will decide to seek out cheap Chinese juice to save a nickel.

zant 11/24/11 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by naturelover (Post 5532394)
Sure, there is something simple you can do about it if you hate it. Just stop being a consumer of convenient, cheap food products that are not fresh and prepared by yourself. What is so difficult about that?

.

Works for me too.....amazing how many people can't grasp the concept of just NOT buying stuff .

7thswan 11/24/11 10:50 AM

Problem is when the world becomes one Nation,the Feds will make growing our own Illegal-for our own sake ya know.

zant 11/24/11 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan (Post 5532781)
Problem is when the world becomes one Nation,the Feds will make growing our own Illegal-for our own sake ya know.

Growing our own has been illegal for a long time...WHOOPS...wrong plants:)

where I want to 11/24/11 12:32 PM

I'm so happy to know that there are so many self-sufficient people out there who can produce their own everything- like asprin, eye glasses, flour, car parts, everything their children eat in school, yeast, computers, etc.
It is getting harder and harder to tell where the ingredients are made, if they are listed at all. When manufacturers find that people don't want to buy Chinese products, the lable is changed to "made in the US, Honduras, France or China." You guess which one.
In case no one has noticed, China has been using its new, shiny navy to intimidate and challenge the Philippines, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc. It is on a course that can bring conflict or at least sanctions- except, oops, the US can't do anything without Chinese made products. We have barely any industry of our own.
And that doesn't reflect the fact that each product made elsewhere is not making US jobs.

zant 11/24/11 12:35 PM

China has NO-EPA-OSHA-Politicians doing their darnest to destroy their industrial base..

Win07_351 11/24/11 06:39 PM

Stop electing liberals and prosperity will return to American industry.

Rusty'sDog 11/24/11 06:52 PM

How can you blame either party for our lack of prosperity?

Who opened the doors to China? Yep, it was Nixon...the same guy that brought us OSHA.

The "one world nation" originated with the conservative banking community.

where I want to 11/24/11 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Win07_351 (Post 5533236)
Stop electing liberals and prosperity will return to American industry.

Actually I think that it has been mostly Republicans who like the idea finding cheap labor overseas. Liberals have just been disappointed to find that people have actually to work to pay taxes so they can spend it on people who are not working.

arabian knight 11/24/11 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by where I want to (Post 5533410)
Actually I think that it has been mostly Republicans who like the idea finding cheap labor overseas. Liberals have just been disappointed to find that people have actually to work to pay taxes so they can spend it on people who are not working.

Oh ya it is the Repiblcians making people buy goods that are cheaper.
NOPE itIS THE Consumer themselves the want to buy cheaper, Always has always will be.
I myself look to buy things that are lower in price.
And once a STORE finds that out THEY are the ones that ORDER the goods to be sold surely you got to see that. It sure is not the Republicans.
But it sure the Liberal democrats that want to make sure rules and regulations are put on American Companies so they can't Compete in the global market. When they can't do that they MOVE to other places that are cheaper to operate, so they can sell on the world market.

Even the American computer parts company that I worked for have 4 Plants in 3 states.
They now have 3 plants in TWO States, and ONE assembly plans in Thailand.
Why you ask. To keep their prices down to Compete with other companies that are making these same parts at a lower price.

texican 11/26/11 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty'sDog (Post 5533241)
How can you blame either party for our lack of prosperity?

Who opened the doors to China? Yep, it was Nixon...the same guy that brought us OSHA.

The "one world nation" originated with the conservative banking community.

I'm no economics expert (obviously), but I'm'a thinking when Nixon went to China, they were the largest untapped market in the world... without hardly any modern infrastructure to think of... just a few years before, millions died in famines and forced OWS collectives...

Folks will think whatever they want, but the more restrictions, rules, regulations, and tax burdens there are, businesses (who are out to be greedy sob's ;) and not to be some welfare agency) will seek out friendlier climes to operate in.

For all my progressive friends, it's real easy... If you don't like the way the current system operates, start up your own manufacturing plants in the US, providing "living wages", cradle to grave union goldbricking jobs, with cadillac benefits to everyone that lives on the block anywhere one of your workers lives, then, open up marble hall'd retail establishments, selling your overpriced wares... and let's see how that ends up. Problem is it won't, and the only way it would would be to ban (by law) competition.

Manufacturing is never going to come back to this country, as long as liberals are allowed to walk the streets of Congress... rid them, get back to sanity, remove all of the liberals from every educational institution, glorify work, demonize sloth, and let everyone know if they want to survive they must work, at real jobs, not positions. The country only needs one or two Masters of Arts in Portuguese History. It does need more Shovel engineers.

WildernesFamily 11/26/11 12:39 PM

Juices are labeled with country of origin. You just have to look. On juices like grape juice, it can be hard to see, because it is printed in small print on the clear plastic itself, near the neck.

The really cheap apple juice? From China. You have to pay a bit more for American apple juice. We buy Langers ourselves. There is another brand that has the US flag on the front. Can't remember the brand name right now.

Bluesgal 11/26/11 01:22 PM

Unless a way is found to build up manufacturing in this country we are done. The US can not do ANYTHING without a Chinese made product.

All of the infrastructure parts for our electrical grid are made in CHINA.
Replacement parts for the military tanks, trucks and planes are made in CHINA
Raw materials are shipped to China and they make the steel
China makes the machine parts
China imports the cotton and makes the clothes
India makes the shoes
China makes the motors that make power from hydroelectric dams

Think about that.. If those things listed above could no longer be imported the US would come to a full stop. Unless and until the US creates the capacity to produce those things domestically, the nation will be at the mercy of others.

Business's are in business to make a profit they are not a charity. Business was choked domestically with government regulations and labor issues which made it expensive to operate. The worker DEMANDED higher pay. Of course they went elsewhere to produce their products. The consumer (who is the worker remember that) wouldn't pay the higher price and DEMANDED a cheaper product when they went shopping.

How does one expect to be paid at level that produces a widget costing $20 and then expect to buy that widget for $10?

The economy as we knew it will never exist again. The US is at a crossroads... the direction taken now will pave the way for the next 100 years. How hard that road is to travel... that's up to you and me.

where I want to 11/26/11 02:49 PM

Part of the problem is that Congress wants to enact laws that restrict American business from polluting or producing dangerous products or discriminating or whatever, yet allows uncontrolled import of foreign products made without such burdens.
Despite the wailing about interference with free enterprise, I do think that the government has a signficant place in protecting the environment that everyone uses but that does not mean that they don't have a duty to ensure that any product imported meets the same criteria. There could certainly be tariffs designed to make it possible to compete despite Congressional imposed burdens.
The American people who then have to pay directly for their Congressional enacted benefits. The American businesses would know that, at least in the US, the effect of Congress's interference, they could still compete. The tariffs collected could be used to make American goods cheaper to buy overseas.
But dream on- Congress is owned, both parties, by the people, foreign and domestic, who pay lobbyists who give perks to Congressmen. So the fox is in charge of dictating to the farmer how to keep the chickens. And the fox has no interest in a more better hen house.

InvalidID 11/26/11 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zant (Post 5532793)
Growing our own has been illegal for a long time...WHOOPS...wrong plants:)

:pound:

pancho 11/26/11 03:23 PM

I read that in 2008 there was 1.2 billion cell phones sold in the U.S.
Not a single one was made in the U.S.

arabian knight 11/26/11 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho (Post 5535634)
I read that in 2008 there was 1.2 billion cell phones sold in the U.S.
Not a single one was made in the U.S.

Sure and couple that with iPads etc. that now has made Apple Corporation the number one most valuable company in the world, and the number one PC Vender~! Which takes in consideration ll those products made by Apple.
And how many computers are made in the USA????????? laughable isn't it?
Gee and how many are on here at any one time. LOL

7thswan 11/26/11 05:30 PM

Barcode Info. telling you where products came from. the first 3 digits tell you.

690-692 … Then it is MADE IN CHINA
00 – 09 … USA & CANADA
30 – 37 FRANCE
40 – 44 GERMANY
471 …. Taiwan
49 … JAPAN
50 … UK

Win07_351 11/26/11 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesgal (Post 5535478)
Unless a way is found to build up manufacturing in this country we are done. The US can not do ANYTHING without a Chinese made product.

All of the infrastructure parts for our electrical grid are made in CHINA.
Replacement parts for the military tanks, trucks and planes are made in CHINA
Raw materials are shipped to China and they make the steel
China makes the machine parts
China imports the cotton and makes the clothes
India makes the shoes
China makes the motors that make power from hydroelectric dams

Think about that.. If those things listed above could no longer be imported the US would come to a full stop. Unless and until the US creates the capacity to produce those things domestically, the nation will be at the mercy of others.

Business's are in business to make a profit they are not a charity. Business was choked domestically with government regulations and labor issues which made it expensive to operate. The worker DEMANDED higher pay. Of course they went elsewhere to produce their products. The consumer (who is the worker remember that) wouldn't pay the higher price and DEMANDED a cheaper product when they went shopping.

How does one expect to be paid at level that produces a widget costing $20 and then expect to buy that widget for $10?

The economy as we knew it will never exist again. The US is at a crossroads... the direction taken now will pave the way for the next 100 years. How hard that road is to travel... that's up to you and me.


Well said. Self sufficiancy and prosperity cannot come from selling insurance, doggie daycare, and coffee to one another.

mekasmom 11/26/11 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty'sDog (Post 5533241)
The "one world nation" originated with the conservative banking community.

I think you are right about that.

arabian knight 11/26/11 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan (Post 5535766)
Barcode Info. telling you where products came from. the first 3 digits tell you.

690-692 … Then it is MADE IN CHINA
00 – 09 … USA & CANADA
30 – 37 FRANCE
40 – 44 GERMANY
471 …. Taiwan
49 … JAPAN
50 … UK

That is a mixture of true and false info.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/barcodes.asp
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Nowadays, Chinese businessmen know that consumers do not prefer products 'Made in China', so they don't show from which country it is made.

However, you may now refer to the barcode, remember if the first 3 digits are: 690-695 then it is Made in China.

BARCODES

00 ~ 13 USA & CANADA
30 ~ 37 FRANCE
40 ~ 44 GERMANY
49 ~ JAPAN
50 ~ UK
57 ~ Denmark
64 ~ Finland
76 ~ Switzerland and Lienchtenstein
471 ~ Taiwan
480 ~ Philippines
628 ~ Saudi-Arabien
629 ~ United Arab Emirates
690 ~ 695 China
740 ~ 745 Central America


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