Violent crime rates.. US vs Canada

Remember the past. Football. Oakland. Not a riot. Just a boisterous after the game party.

One difference between these riots. The next morning tens of thousands of Vancouver's residents went down to the site of the rioting and cleaned up the city. Taking care of business themselves. This of course never made the news. Thugs are thugs no matter which country they are in. How you react to them makes the difference.

I’ve got lots of insight, after 27 years working in Prisons in the State that’s lucky to have the Murder Capital Detroit in our boundaries. But so far in this discussion, I’ve stuck to the math and the facts, not any of my personal tainted views.
1.4 million violent crimes in 2010? That adds up to 84 million violent crimes in the lifetime of 60 years. That’s two violent crimes for each of the 40 million Blacks in their lifetime. Or to put it another way, this year alone 1.4 violent crimes per 40 Blacks. If you cut that back by rightfully blaming whites for crimes, you also have to include the fact that most Black criminals are young guys. Now, you’ve got 1 violent crime for 20 Black MALES and 1 violent crime per 10 Black males in the first half of their life.
So far the method of dealing with this core group of violent criminals is to lock them up for a good share of their lives. When they get out, they have no skills, no family, no Social Security, but what is important, they lack the motivation/energy to commit violent crimes.
This explosion of violent crime comes in a social group that has had the family torn apart by the Great Society. More Federal money comes to homes without a working father. It no longer matters who fathers your children, ‘cause it’s dem babies dat pays da bills.
In the 40 years of LBJ’s War on Poverty, we’ve created whole communities that have no knowledge of a person holding a job or what is an intact family. It isn’t the lack of Tim Horton’s Tim Bits that has the US topping Canada in violent crime.
I believe that it isn’t the color of a person’s skin, but what’s in their heart that makes criminals. Just happens that Blacks have allowed their society to stay broken. In other races, poverty causes families to pull together.
In Canada, lots of crimes take place on Reservations and there is a serious alcohol problem with any Natives. Somehow stabbing someone to death with a pocket knife while in a drunken stupor seems less violent than a fatal shotgun blast in a Crack house robbery.

look up countries that are primarily atheist or nonreligious and you will see the crime rate as well as most other social problems take a nosedive.

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it seems, contrary to popular belief...when you kick "god" out you bring in rational thought and real solutions to real problems (as apposed to ones concocted by the countries respective majority religion that is more concerned with obtaining its next parasitic host)

I know that is a bit of an inflammatory statement but sometimes you have to make people mad to get them to see what is right in front of them and get them to give up their cherished, and ill-gotten, ideologies in the face of unarguable reality.

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Well, first I want to say the link you posted doesn't seem to have anything relevant to what you said.

Secondly, I don't entirely agree with what you said. Compared to some other countries I think we have a relatively low crime rate in Canada and although the main religion here is Christianity, Canada is still represented by devout people from every other religion and belief system under the sun. Nobody has kicked God out of Canada and nobody is trying to. These people of all religions all work together cooperatively and all bring in rational thought and real solutions to real problems.

What they don't do is go evangelizing and shoving their religions down other people's throats or trying to get their religion to be the majority. Everyone accepts everyone else's religion, even celebrating each other's religious festivities, but religion is not the be all to end all in Canada and it doesn't play a large part in the social, economic and political functioning of the country.

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Totally agree! As a Canuck living in the USA I am amzed at how often eople snoopinto people's personal affairs. Gorwing up never had anyone ask what religion I was, down here its one of the first questions asked and if you decline to discuss it they try to "reform" you!

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I too am a Canadian living in the US. I agree religion here seems to be about separating groups of people not bringing them together. In Canada I could attend many different functions related to faith and never have someone try to indoctrinate me unless I asked for more information. Here it is not quite the same.

I how ever do not thing that the differences in how people practice their religion have anything to do with the difference in crime rates.

I have to agree with you on this one, particularly when discussing the crime rates between the US and Canada. Thanks to the efforts of several here providing the stats its been pretty well determined that the difference lies in one particular demographic (young black males in the US) and unless they are practicing some religious belief that separates them from other groups I fail to see how religion is playing a part.

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I completely agree with this analysis. I can honestly say that in my working life of 40 years I have never had a co-worker ask my religion or political affiliation. In my personal life I only know the religion of my friends if they mention it - I have never asked. We do discuss politics but no one cares who you support as long as you can make a good argument for your position. In the US nearly every conversation I have had - with friends, family and even strangers - includes religion and politics. Last summer we were standing by the river watching the bears and salmon and got to chatting with some people from Oklahoma. Instead of talking about the wonderul wildlife the man steered the conversation to his views of Canada - the socialist/communist country and how he had to pay $800 to go to the hospital emergency room and was furious that he had to pay. Really? Our healthcare is not free for aliens. It is a social benefit for citizens but not socialism.

In the US if you don't "fit" then you are either subject to indoctrination and rants or ignored. I recently read a personal ad that read " no Democrats need apply". I honestly laughed until I cried. I think the two party system is not a good system. You only have two choices and even if you register as an independent you still only have two choices. Two divides people. Three - or more - forces interaction and compromise. And when you have all races, cultures, religions and political ideals amongst hundreds of millions of people you have to compromise in order to give real religious and political freedom to all - not just a few.

To me its just another statistic where we beat Canadians like everything else. When you think Canadian you never think of their great cuisine, their advances in producing fine automobiles, their history making space flights, their 2 or 3 celebrities that havent already moved to the US, their funny money, Margaret Trudeau's accidental flash....(okay I do still think about that one) nor do you think of Canada as having a high crime rate but just as they are making small advances elsewhere they will get there soon.

My Mrs is (was) Canadian and I have traveled coast to coast in Canada and it would be a mistake to portray them as all polite law abiding do-gooders because they arent. I love Canada but they like to create a myth about themselves that is almost as false as the myth that all of the US is full of crime and gun toting grandmas. They also do not, I repeat do not have free health care.

I find myself agreeing with most of what Haypoint posted as I saw similar things in almost 9 years as a probation officer. Statistics are interesting things, lots of people get locked up for things in parts of this country (and it varies wildly) that in other parts or other countries wouldnt even get a look-see which creates statistical anomalies. Personally I kind of wonder how much our draconian drug laws and welfare culture has skewed crime in this country to the negative. Canadians have created the same entitlement mentality out of guilt in their First Nations people as we have with our black population with similar results. It destroys the family unit and entire cultures.

I do like French Canadians though, they have better chow and I have mostly forgiven them for giving us back Detroit.

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Detroit just announced that violent crime is down 10% from last year. However, murder is up 5%.
The number of police in Detroit is down, due to financial troubles. So, is the crime really down or is there more unreported crime?

And who else is picking up the tab? Friend of mine is a heavy equipment mechanic for a Cat dealer. When they send him into Detroit to work on equipment on a job site, they call Brinks or another service and hire armed guards to make sure the tools on the service truck don't disappear when he's working on the equipment. They've had trucks stripped bare by the other workers on the sites.

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LOL. And this is coming from the person who, if he bothers to think anything about Canadians at all, simply thinks all Canadians are British with dentists.



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Maybe that's another reason why our crime rates are lower - we don't run around with arrogant attitudes towards others, and carry concealed guns like you guys down there do.
Less attitudes + less guns = less crime

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Gun ownership is at an all time high, and crime rates have been dropping since the 90's, so your theory is false

It's well documented and the data is already posted in this thread

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Ok, attitudes have not been eliminated at this point,,, however more guns (according to the data available) has lessened our crime rate. We have also figured out that all other factors seem to be equal when the young black male in our country is taken out of the equation. What do you suppose is causing his attitude? And what can be done to correct that situation?

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Actually I think you missed my point. We have treated a significant percentage of our population as victims for over 50 years now which has robbed a large group of people their dignity, broken down the family unit, and unintentionally (or was it?) kept a segment of our population dependent on the largess of government and it is precisely this population group that has a disproportionate impact on our crime levels. Canadians have the same disproportionate higher crime stats in its First Nations people for exactly the same reasons.

I suspect if you take those factors out of the equation our crime stats are not that dissimilar. I do think Canadians have done a much better job dealing with some of their inner city blight than we have. We found that concentrating large groups of the poor into dense high rise low income housing projects was a recipe for disaster that we still havent overcome.

As for arrogant attitudes, I seriously have to laugh at that one. Canadians in general have a smug sanctimonious attitude known world wide that belies the reality of their own home grown issues. We too are well known as world wide Cowboys with "tude" but your arrogance is just as prevalent in a different way.

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The arrogant attitude thing is a separate issue, but I have noticed it too. Not so much just with Canadians.. but as you go north in general. I have noticed it just going from Kentucky into Ohio, Indiana, Illionois..... not to mention the good folks throughout New England. Maybe its the cold weather???

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We had this very discussion last summer at a housewarming bar-b-que. Canadians, Americans, Brits, Scots, Aussies, French, German, Japanese, Chinese and First Nations all had opinions. There were an equal number of Canadians and Americans who were of course the most opinionated. In the end we all agreed on several points. Words and phrases to describe Canadians and their general attitudes and that towards Americans - smug, confident, tolerant, peaceful, feelings of moral superiority, distrust, envy, disengaged. Words to describe Americans and their general attitudes and that towards Canadians - arrogant, agressive, accomplished, generous, determined, dismissive, contemptuous, fearful, believe their own PR, live in the glories of the past, rigid.