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Pearl B 10/31/11 11:25 AM

Who is funding OWS?
 
Ok I know some really support the OWS movement, and some are very much against it. My interest is in its potential to affect change, &/or bring attention, in regards to banking and government corruption. As well as the matter of the protester who was injured.

Well while surfing this morning I came across this. I havent decided if I believe it or not, or if its someones spin.

The Lucis Trust behind Occupy Wall.

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I know it sounds crazy, but what i found out about this movement it's just unbelievable.
I will try to make this short.

On the 15th October 2011 begun the worldwide action. For the first time in history, upwards of 15 million people in sixty countries marched together for a "global change". Their official website is: http://15october.net/
Someone decided to find out who owns that domain name by visiting this site: http://who.godaddy.com/ (This is a database with a searchable list of every single domain currently registered in the world).
As you can see from the printscreen i took, before the 18th October the registrant was
"Paulina Arcos
866 United Nations Plaza
Suite 516
New York, New York 10017
United States"
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Well... Who the hell is she? I googled her name and i couldn't find many infos, but i found out that she is Francisco Carrion Mena (permanent representative of Ecuador, chairman of the special committee at the UN) 's wife. Okay. I thought i had no more things to discover. The UN were behind this movement, that's it.
Well, i was wrong... While reading a book ("Freemasonry and Secret Societies" by Epiphanius, edition "Controcorrente" April 2008, page 620 ), i found out that the unofficial Lucis Trust's address is: 866 United Nations Plaza New York, and this information appears just on two books: the one i was reading, and on "Die Netzwerke der Insider" by Peter Blackwood.
Wait a minute.... This must be a joke.
...but here it comes the unbelievable part: On the 19th October, the WHOIS Information is been changed!!! In fact the registrant now is:
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
...as you can check here: http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?do...prog_id=GoDadd


New infos about this "global movement": Let's see WHO support them...
Rest of the article:
http://lalternativaitalia.blogspot.c...ll-street.html


Lucis Trust is an occult lodge out of London,er,according to them 'a spiritual organization'

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The worldwide activities of the Lucis Trust, founded by Alice Bailey and Foster Bailey, are dedicated to establishing right human relations.

The activities of the Lucis Trust promote the education of the human mind towards recognition and practice of the spiritual principles and values upon which a stable and interdependent world society may be based. More »
http://www.lucistrust.org/

Posted as info, everyone make up your own mind as to the validity of this.

texican 11/01/11 12:35 AM

I'm sure this Lucis organization is just a group of freedom loving individuals that believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, free of the shackles of govt. slavery.

I can imagine they even backed the Tea Party folks too!

Not!

InvalidID 11/01/11 12:48 AM

Well, it ain't Soro's, but I don't know if that's good or not. To be fair, it sounds too crazy to be true. Likely that means it is... :pound:

JuliaAnn 11/01/11 01:35 AM

Soros apparently had a meeting with Bloomberg a couple weeks ago over the OWS business.

InvalidID 11/01/11 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JuliaAnn (Post 5486697)
Soros apparently had a meeting with Bloomberg a couple weeks ago over the OWS business.

I'm not calling bunk, but can I get a link to that? I've had a tough time finding anything solid on Soro's and OWS.

Pearl B 11/01/11 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by texican (Post 5486665)
I'm sure this Lucis organization is just a group of freedom loving individuals that believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, free of the shackles of govt. slavery.

I can imagine they even backed the Tea Party folks too!

Not!

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5486671)
Well, it ain't Soro's, but I don't know if that's good or not. To be fair, it sounds too crazy to be true. Likely that means it is... :pound:

I really hope its not true. I hope Im wrong about this. It was posted on Halloween though so maybe. Ive read a few books by one of the founders of the Lucis Trust organization, Alice Bailey.


It is some spooky stuff.

Lucis Trust One World Religion 2009 Part 1/2

Alice In TX/MO 11/01/11 08:08 AM

This type of stuff was all the rage when I was in high school.... in the 1970s. A devil behind every bush.

I'm more worried about keeping my trees watered in the drought.

Tricky Grama 11/01/11 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5486699)
I'm not calling bunk, but can I get a link to that? I've had a tough time finding anything solid on Soro's and OWS.

When all this started, we had a thread in politics showing wwho was backing OWS...what happened to that?

Tricky Grama 11/01/11 08:31 AM

Didja not see this?

http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...d.php?t=417163

Southern California Party leader Arturo Cambron will share how the CPUSA and Young Communist League (YCL) are working in “Occupy Los Angeles.”


We can also play a role in offering more advanced programmatic ideas like nationalizing the banks and socialism.

TheMartianChick 11/01/11 11:20 AM

Anyone can register a website to almost anyone else...When you create a website, you register it to someone. You can fill in any name and they don't ask for identification proving that you are who you say that you are.

InvalidID 11/01/11 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama (Post 5486853)
When all this started, we had a thread in politics showing wwho was backing OWS...what happened to that?

We've never had anyone prove Soros or anyone else funded OWS. I have a thread on it now and no one can prove Soros involvement. If it's true, I'd like to know honestly. I have been able to find some of OWS's funding sources, and they are generally common people.

To the OP. Ad Busters started the OWS website. In trying to find Soros funding I've been able to trace back to the beginning of OWS. Ad Busters is a Canadian company, and is in fact left leaning. Since OWS has taken on a life of it's own it has not responded or agreed to the 'solutions' put forth by Ad Busters though... So there's that.

JeffreyD 11/01/11 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488048)
We've never had anyone prove Soros or anyone else funded OWS. I have a thread on it now and no one can prove Soros involvement. If it's true, I'd like to know honestly. I have been able to find some of OWS's funding sources, and they are generally common people.

To the OP. Ad Busters started the OWS website. In trying to find Soros funding I've been able to trace back to the beginning of OWS. Ad Busters is a Canadian company, and is in fact left leaning. Since OWS has taken on a life of it's own it has not responded or agreed to the 'solutions' put forth by Ad Busters though... So there's that.

Since Angie trashed some of our posts over there, i'll respond here! Can anyone prove that Soros is NOT involved in funding this ows movement? One can prove links from him to ows, so i'd like some real proof that he isn't involved in monetarily supporting them. He did give the tides foundation $3.5 million dollars from 07-09 and the tides foundation gave money to adbusters. The ows folks don't seem to have any leaders to take any responsablity for their group, so it's tough trying to find out their source of funding. It will become clear soon enough i reckon!

InvalidID 11/01/11 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD (Post 5488117)
Since Angie trashed some of our posts over there, i'll respond here! Can anyone prove that Soros is NOT involved in funding this ows movement? Trails lead to him, so i'd like some real proof that he hasn't. He did give the tides foundation $3.5 million dollars from 07-09 and the tides foundation gave money to adbusters. The ows folks don't seem to have any leaders to take any responsablity for their group, so it's tough trying to find out their source of funding. It will become clear soon enough i reckon!

I can prove he didn't fund OWS, by not being able to prove he DID fund them. Good enough for a court of law, good enough for me.

JeffreyD 11/01/11 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488121)
I can prove he didn't fund OWS, by not being able to prove he DID fund them. Good enough for a court of law, good enough for me.

And by your reasoning i can prove he did because you can't prove he didn't! :shrug: Can you prove there is no link between him, adbusters and the tides foundation?Draw!

InvalidID 11/01/11 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD (Post 5488128)
And by your reasoning i can prove he did because you can't prove he didn't! :shrug: Can you prove there is no link between him, adbusters and the tides foundation?Draw!

No draw. There is a reason you are innocent until proven guilty in this country.

You can't prove a negative. If you honestly don't understand the concept then I can't help you. I can explain it, but I can't understand it for you. It's like asking me to prove there is no Santa Clause.

JeffreyD 11/01/11 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488140)
No draw. There is a reason you are innocent until proven guilty in this country.

You can't prove a negative. If you honestly don't understand the concept then I can't help you. I can explain it, but I can't understand it for you. It's like asking me to prove there is no Santa Clause.

Same with your post above, YOU can't prove a negitive either! And in this country, right now, you ARE guilty until you can prove your innocent!

Can you prove there is no link between Soros, adbusters, and the tides foundation?

InvalidID 11/01/11 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD (Post 5488164)
Same with your post above, YOU can't prove a negitive either! And in this country, right now, you ARE guilty until you can prove your innocent!

Can you prove there is no link between Soros, adbusters, and the tides foundation?

That part in bold, that's so cute. Bless your heart for thinking up something so clever....

Now, if in this country you are guilty until proven innocent does that mean if I called you a pedophile (No folks, I'm not calling him a pedophile, it's hypothetical) you are one? Unless you have video footage of every moment of your life you can't prove you aren't. I don't have to prove you are one, so where does that leave you? And this is the argument you're making?

JeffreyD 11/01/11 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488173)
That part in bold, that's so cute. Bless your heart for thinking up something so clever....

Haha, it was a realy simple question. Can you answer it? Or are you goning to be subversive again and ignore it?

Now, if in this country you are guilty until proven innocent does that mean if I called you a pedophile (No folks, I'm not calling him a pedophile, it's hypothetical) you are one? Unless you have video footage of every moment of your life you can't prove you aren't. I don't have to prove you are one, so where does that leave you? And this is the argument you're making?

Did you beat your wife last night? (or significant other if you float that way) No, it's the argument YOUR making!(and it's not a very good one at that)

I was pointing out that right now, in America, one is generaly thought to be guilty until proven innocent, that's all. As much as i hate it, that's where the government has taken us. Want examples? The un-patriot act, unreasonable search and seizure, the list goes on. There are examples of it everyday in the news. Open your eye's and you will see it clear as day! Waiting for the name calling to start again!

InvalidID 11/01/11 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD (Post 5488209)
Did you beat your wife last night? (or significant other if you float that way) No, it's the argument YOUR making!(and it's not a very good one at that)

I was pointing out that right now, in America, one is generaly thought to be guilty until proven innocent, that's all. As much as i hate it, that's where the government has taken us. Want examples? The un-patriot act, unreasonable search and seizure, the list goes on. There are examples of it everyday in the news. Open your eye's and you will see it clear as day! Waiting for the name calling to start again!

You're making a point against something, then using it to advance your argument. I agree with you on much of the highlighted part and have to ask, if you hate it so much and admit it's wrong, why are you doing it?

JeffreyD 11/01/11 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488212)
You're making a point against something, then using it to advance your argument. I agree with you on much of the highlighted part and have to ask, if you hate it so much and admit it's wrong, why are you doing it?

When you answer my question, i'll answer yours, fair enough?

InvalidID 11/01/11 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyD (Post 5488221)
When you answer my question, i'll answer yours, fair enough?

Sure. I did not beat my wife last night. Now you go.

JeffreyD 11/01/11 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488225)
Sure. I did not beat my wife last night. Now you go.

Neither did i! :grin:

Lilandra 11/02/11 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5488225)
Sure. I did not beat my wife last night. Now you go.

but what about the day before? :lookout:

InvalidID 11/02/11 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilandra (Post 5489608)
but what about the day before? :lookout:

Well played. I've never beat my wife. Happy now? :pound:

Lilandra 11/02/11 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by InvalidID (Post 5489614)
Well played. I've never beat my wife. Happy now? :pound:

:thumb:


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