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View Poll Results: If you were on the jury, how would you vote?
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Convict as charged
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Acquit of all crimes
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Convict of a lesser charge
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09/20/11, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by megafatcat
Does that imply that the police should never use force to arrest someone who steals an 'expensive toy"? No SWAT team if the thief barricades themselves in a house? Is failure to yield to gov authority a more heinous crime than theft of another person's property?
Which mindset will result in a more orderly and peaceful society?
No toy or piece of equipment to play with is worth a man's life.
Nothing I own is worth risking your life to steal.
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SWAT is typically not called in when some one steals a single possession. They get called in when there is a legitimate threat to public safety, or safety of the individual who is barricaded. So the comparison is not valid.
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09/20/11, 01:54 PM
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After reading some of the additional posts, I am more convinced that this guy should have been convicted and knew what he was doing. So the thief was either family, or someone he definitely knew. So it would not have been difficult for the law to find him with the possession in hand. And this guy shots him in the back.
That is just plain cowardice.
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09/24/11, 10:03 AM
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Agree fully with FIJA. Agree with not guilty with extreme prejudice. The guy walks
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09/24/11, 10:24 AM
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it's funny to see some folks claiming that if you are against the guy shooting the thief in the back than you are OK with stealing.
A law is a law whether it's about theft or murder.
It is against the law to steal and it is against the law where this happened to shoot a guy in the back when he tries to steal something.
To be all gung ho about following the law in cases of theft but then not to follow the law when it comes to murder is pretty hypocritical.
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09/24/11, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sammyd
it's funny to see some folks claiming that if you are against the guy shooting the thief in the back than you are OK with stealing.
A law is a law whether it's about theft or murder.
It is against the law to steal and it is against the law where this happened to shoot a guy in the back when he tries to steal something.
To be all gung ho about following the law in cases of theft but then not to follow the law when it comes to murder is pretty hypocritical.
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no what they are saying is that the law against shooting the guy is wrong and should be repealed. and if they were on the jury they would refuse to vote guilty. the jury has the RIGHT to nullify a law. a guy can be absolutely guilty according to the letter of the law but the jury does NOT have to find him guilty, if they disagree with the law. this applies equally to individual jurors as well as the whole. if the jury unanimously refuses to find guilt then they have nullified & like an aquittal he cannot be retried w/o new evidence. if only part of the jury does then it is a hung jury & retrial is a possibility.
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09/24/11, 04:17 PM
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Well, if you are stealing something... off my property i don't care where i shoot you, foot,back,toe, whatever as long as you let go of MY property...
The man shouldn't be charged with anything.
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09/25/11, 12:51 AM
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I'd have to sit the case.
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09/25/11, 04:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sammyd
it's funny to see some folks claiming that if you are against the guy shooting the thief in the back than you are OK with stealing.
A law is a law whether it's about theft or murder.
It is against the law to steal and it is against the law where this happened to shoot a guy in the back when he tries to steal something.
To be all gung ho about following the law in cases of theft but then not to follow the law when it comes to murder is pretty hypocritical.
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I guess it would also be pretty hypocritical to be all gung ho about following the law in case of murder but then not to follow the law when it comes to stealing. 
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09/25/11, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FourDeuce
I guess it would also be pretty hypocritical to be all gung ho about following the law in case of murder but then not to follow the law when it comes to stealing. |
The guy who was allegedy stealing the ATV, was not on trial - he's dead!
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09/25/11, 12:46 PM
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Yes, he was on trial(life is full of trials). He was tried, convicted and sentenced. 
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09/25/11, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FourDeuce
Yes, he was on trial(life is full of trials). He was tried, convicted and sentenced. |
How convenient, when you can be policeman, investigator, district attorney, judge, jury and executioner, in one shot (literally).
How do we know, the guy was not just taking a shortcut, through the shooter's yard? Because the shooter said so?
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09/26/11, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by plowjockey
How convenient, when you can be policeman, investigator, district attorney, judge, jury and executioner, in one shot (literally).
Seems pretty convenient for the thieves when they decide to wear all those hats.
How do we know, the guy was not just taking a shortcut, through the shooter's yard? Because the shooter said so?
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How do we know he wasn't?
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09/26/11, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FourDeuce
How do we know he wasn't?
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What does it matter?
The last I heard, attempted theft or even theft, is not a crime, punishable by death.
If the shooter had a legal right to shoot the thief, thats one thing - he didn't.
In some areas, it's illegal to let your dog, poop in someone else's yard. Ok to shoot these law breakers, also?
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09/26/11, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by plowjockey
What does it matter?
The last I heard, attempted theft or even theft, is not a crime, punishable by death.
If the shooter had a legal right to shoot the thief, thats one thing - he didn't.
In some areas, it's illegal to let your dog, poop in someone else's yard. Ok to shoot these law breakers, also?
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in some states yes, you can legally shoot the dog while it's pooping on YOUR lawn
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