Can't Predict Hurricane Intensity, But...

naturelover · #21 08/30/11, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

I am glad you dont call anyone names.

I think we are all degenerate idiots, I call it like I see it.

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PurpleMartineer · #22 08/30/11, 08:33 PM

I am not saying that we need to tax people, wth? We need to reign it the F in. Again, you cant burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels into the atmosphere without an effect. Thats putting your head in the sand. It may be a human feat of amazing proportions, but is NOT natural for billions of people to burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels that have been mechanically extracted from the deepest recesses of earth. That is a no-brainer. The system we call planet earth simply did not have that built into the equation. Similar to the human body--we may think it normal or natural to eat pounds and pounds of sugar annually in our diet, but come on, do native/natural/tribal people eat this way? No. So we have diabetes, obesity, cancers. Of course we cant see that what we put into our body affects the function of that body, but thats only because we are so far down the road we are no officially unable to see how far out of whack we are because our heds are so far up our -----! Is this not OBVIOUS??? I dont deny greedy full of carp people are out there making a buck off of everything--but I am not one of them and I am seeing the effects of the glaciers melting in my backyard, so when you do too, perhaps you will sing a different tune. You can politicize it all you want to, but when you come down to common sense, you cant freaking burn this much dino-carp up without some consequences. Just because we cant IMAGINE something being possible, doesn't make it untrue. BTW I am not towing any party freaking line. OK? However, you are, the very mention of Gore tells me I am not hearing YOUR thought or ideas, but Rush's or Beck's or some other such blowhard. I think the system is a dang corrupted MESS and I want no part of it or any of these broken politicians from ANY party. Until we recognize we are all guilty of greed and in need of checks and balances to keep that greed from polluting the natural world we are, IN FACT, borrowing from our children, our children are screwed. Pennsylvania's trees. Give me a break.

salmonslayer · #23 08/30/11, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

I think we are all degenerate idiots, I call it like I see it.

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Ha..nice comeback!

salmonslayer · #24 08/30/11, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleMartineer

I am not saying that we need to tax people, wth? We need to reign it the F in. Again, you cant burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels into the atmosphere without an effect. Thats putting your head in the sand. It may be a human feat of amazing proportions, but is NOT natural for billions of people to burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels that have been mechanically extracted from the deepest recesses of earth. That is a no-brainer. The system we call planet earth simply did not have that built into the equation. Similar to the human body--we may think it normal or natural to eat pounds and pounds of sugar annually in our diet, but come on, do native/natural/tribal people eat this way? No. So we have diabetes, obesity, cancers. Of course we cant see that what we put into our body affects the function of that body, but thats only because we are so far down the road we are no officially unable to see how far out of whack we are because our heds are so far up our -----! Is this not OBVIOUS??? I dont deny greedy full of carp people are out there making a buck off of everything--but I am not one of them and I am seeing the effects of the glaciers melting in my backyard, so when you do too, perhaps you will sing a different tune. You can politicize it all you want to, but when you come down to common sense, you cant freaking burn this much dino-carp up without some consequences. Just because we cant IMAGINE something being possible, doesn't make it untrue. BTW I am not towing any party freaking line. OK? However, you are, the very mention of Gore tells me I am not hearing YOUR thought or ideas, but Rush's or Beck's or some other such blowhard. I think the system is a dang corrupted MESS and I want no part of it or any of these broken politicians from ANY party. Until we recognize we are all guilty of greed and in need of checks and balances to keep that greed from polluting the natural world we are, IN FACT, borrowing from our children, our children are screwed. Pennsylvania's trees. Give me a break.

What do you think of this report from CERN concluding GW is mainly caused by solar activity? Are they "deniers"

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/165340.html

or how about this report from NASA that shows global sea levels vary and have actually gone down a 1/4 inch last year?

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-262

or the NASA study that refutes drought driven plant productivity declines touted by ALGORE?

http://www.aer.com/news-events/in-th...tivity-global-

I could go on but you get the drift. Pollution, including CO2 is bad because its pollution and should be reviled as such but when someone like ALGORE or you as your coming across declare the science is settled and anyone who doesnt believe as you do are labeled a derogatory name then..you lose credibility.

Its great you are doing what you are doing and so are most of the rest of us. But you are coming across as almost worshipful in your beliefs and somehow I suspect you have decided the science is settled and anybody that doesnt believe as you do is part of a giant conspiracy.

And oh by the way, if you want to be taken serious, comments about you can see the effects of glaciers melting in your back yard arent helping your cause.

zant · #25 08/30/11, 10:38 PM

1.glaciers are'nt melting....
2.no matter what figures are loaded into Manns computer-real or imagined-you always get the hockey stick graph.
3.All gw/gc/global whatever cultist should commit mass suicide thereby relieving the earth of their pollution and leaving those of us with rational,logical minds-alone..

PurpleMartineer · #26 08/31/11, 01:16 AM

The glaciers are melting / receding . I have seen a couple of them with my own eyes. The water doesnt stay in AK, it is in my backyard--there are 20 years of sea level rise out here VISIBLE on the Sounds and in the coastal plains of NC. Come on over and I will show you the dead sunken coastal trees and the disappearing beaches and the flooding into foundations such as has not been seen before. I am not worshipful (whatever the heck that means) and I cant deny what I, and others in my area, are seeing. I do believe anyone who wants to shut the whole discussion down is just spouting someone else's corrupted and unbalanced and politicized talking-head BS. Yes Al Gore is a schmuck and I wish he'd shut his dang mouth. Can yall say the same about Hannity and Rush and all the rest of them who have a MASSIVE market on conspiracies? Its a Jerry Springer world out there, meanwhile, we'll be sinking the ship.

Cute Zant, you do the same. Or go get your own freaking planet to carp on.

naturelover · #27 08/31/11, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

or how about this report from NASA that shows global sea levels vary and have actually gone down a 1/4 inch last year?

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-262

From that link:

Can't Predict Hurricane Intensity, But... - General Chat

Meh. The mean sea level is still much higher now than it was 20 years ago and in spite of the 1/4" drop it was still higher in 2010 than it was in 2008. I don't think anyone should attach significance to annual drops and rises. A quarter inch drop for the one year is not significant, it means nothing when you look at how it's continually gone up and down in bits and bites over the past 20 years of steady increase. What's more important is to compare the level now with the level 10 and 20 years ago and you can see that it is steadily rising at an average of 3.2 mm per year.

I think it is hard for them to measure sea levels and have it mean anything significant unless you're looking at a 20 year span instead of an annual span. Most of Earth's tides are called mixed tides because the two high tides each day are rarely equal and the two low tides each day are also rarely equal. Something I find interesting is that sea levels are never the same in all oceans (not counting the ups and downs of twice daily tides). No matter what the tides are doing the entire Atlantic ocean's level is actually higher than the entire Pacific Ocean by quite a bit and always has been. There are even sections of both the Atlantic and the Pacific that have permanent bulges rising up in the water that are higher than the areas surrounding them because of vertical upwelling and downwelling currents.

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naturelover · #28 08/31/11, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zant

1.glaciers are'nt melting....
Sure they are.

2.no matter what figures are loaded into Manns computer-real or imagined-you always get the hockey stick graph.
Of course, but that proves nothing.

3.All gw/gc/global whatever cultist should commit mass suicide thereby relieving the earth of their pollution and leaving those of us with rational,logical minds-alone..

Funny thing, a lot of those cultists probably think people like you should do the same thing.

You need to stop focusing on all those rich ecoterrorists and focus more on ordinary people.

Sweetie, you need to take a chill pill and relax. Getting yourself all worked up like you've demonstrated in this topic is going to make your head explode. BOOM. Then everyone will worry about you and cry.

Relax man, we don't want this happening to you.

Zant --> Can't Predict Hurricane Intensity, But... - General Chat

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JeffreyD · #29 08/31/11, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

Funny thing, a lot of those cultists probably think people like you should do the same thing.

You need to stop focusing on all those rich ecoterrorists and focus more on ordinary people.

Sweetie, you need to take a chill pill and relax. Getting yourself all worked up like you've demonstrated in this topic is going to make your head explode. BOOM. Then everyone will worry about you and cry.

Relax man, we don't want this happening to you.

Zant --> Can't Predict Hurricane Intensity, But... - General Chat

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Now that was funny!

ghmerrill · #30 08/31/11, 02:49 AM

Volcanos and increased solar activity.

But that doesn't allow the government more control, so they are going to keep touting "climate change"

JeffreyD · #31 08/31/11, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ghmerrill

Volcanos and increased solar activity.

But that doesn't allow the government more control, so they are going to keep touting "climate change"

This is true! There is a good article in Forbes to day about how few in the scientific community actually believe in man made global warming or climate change or whatever the buzz word is. I've been a surfer for most of my life(52 now) and my family has owned a house at the beach for 68 years. I was there with my mom(89 years young) today and she commented on how the water at high tide was still as she remembered it when they first bought it. I have to agree with her. Even erosion has done little, I really expected more over the years. The wave shape has changed some, but the water level is no closer than it was when I was 10. I have no doubt the climate is changing, but I don't see it here in So Cal! I would post a link to the Forbes article, but i can't figure it out on my phone, which i'm typing from right now!

watcher · #32 08/31/11, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleMartineer

The glaciers are melting / receding . I have seen a couple of them with my own eyes. The water doesnt stay in AK, it is in my backyard--there are 20 years of sea level rise out here VISIBLE on the Sounds and in the coastal plains of NC. Come on over and I will show you the dead sunken coastal trees and the disappearing beaches and the flooding into foundations such as has not been seen before. I am not worshipful (whatever the heck that means) and I cant deny what I, and others in my area, are seeing. I do believe anyone who wants to shut the whole discussion down is just spouting someone else's corrupted and unbalanced and politicized talking-head BS. Yes Al Gore is a schmuck and I wish he'd shut his dang mouth. Can yall say the same about Hannity and Rush and all the rest of them who have a MASSIVE market on conspiracies? Its a Jerry Springer world out there, meanwhile, we'll be sinking the ship.

Cute Zant, you do the same. Or go get your own freaking planet to carp on.

Yeah. . .look at what humans did to make all the ice melt at the end of the last ice age!! Oh. . .wait. . .ahh. . .never mind. . .

beowoulf90 · #33 08/31/11, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleMartineer

I am not saying that we need to tax people, wth? We need to reign it the F in. Again, you cant burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels into the atmosphere without an effect. Thats putting your head in the sand. It may be a human feat of amazing proportions, but is NOT natural for billions of people to burn billions of pounds of fossil fuels that have been mechanically extracted from the deepest recesses of earth. That is a no-brainer. The system we call planet earth simply did not have that built into the equation. Similar to the human body--we may think it normal or natural to eat pounds and pounds of sugar annually in our diet, but come on, do native/natural/tribal people eat this way? No. So we have diabetes, obesity, cancers. Of course we cant see that what we put into our body affects the function of that body, but thats only because we are so far down the road we are no officially unable to see how far out of whack we are because our heds are so far up our -----! Is this not OBVIOUS??? I dont deny greedy full of carp people are out there making a buck off of everything--but I am not one of them and I am seeing the effects of the glaciers melting in my backyard, so when you do too, perhaps you will sing a different tune. You can politicize it all you want to, but when you come down to common sense, you cant freaking burn this much dino-carp up without some consequences. Just because we cant IMAGINE something being possible, doesn't make it untrue. BTW I am not towing any party freaking line. OK? However, you are, the very mention of Gore tells me I am not hearing YOUR thought or ideas, but Rush's or Beck's or some other such blowhard. I think the system is a dang corrupted MESS and I want no part of it or any of these broken politicians from ANY party. Until we recognize we are all guilty of greed and in need of checks and balances to keep that greed from polluting the natural world we are, IN FACT, borrowing from our children, our children are screwed. Pennsylvania's trees. Give me a break.

Well I see part of the problem right off the bat! You want to legislate "Common Sense". That tells me that you don't understand common sense from the start.
Now you also continue to blame man for what Mother Nature does/ is doing. So tell me how many volcanoes are there?, How many "black Smokers" in the Atlantic? In the Pacific? They put more pollutants and debris into the air then man kind, yet man is to blame according to you and others.
I agree we shouldn't destroy/pollute the air and land.. Yet why is it that we have all the regs on vehicles, factories etc. Yet now we are going to allow vehicles from other countries who don't have those same environmental regs on their vehicles to drive them in our Country.. The answer is because it isn't about man made Global Warming, it's about control of the people and extracting money from them in anyway possible.. The useful idiots who continue to cry "wolf" and blame man for what nature does are just furthering the Socialists cause and control...
Yet you sit there and tell me you aren't a party hack for the left, but accuse me of it... Funny! Since crude oil is a natural product and volcanoes burn it and the tar pits were created long before man even existed... But of course it's man's fault..
"Is this not OBVIOUS???" to use your words.. But because party line means more to you than the truth... So what is the next idea create 2 volcanoes to stop Global Warming... Talk about acting like "God".. Imagine that, man thinks they can control Mother Nature... Wonder who needs some common sense?

beowoulf90 · #34 08/31/11, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleMartineer

The glaciers are melting / receding . I have seen a couple of them with my own eyes. The water doesnt stay in AK, it is in my backyard--there are 20 years of sea level rise out here VISIBLE on the Sounds and in the coastal plains of NC. Come on over and I will show you the dead sunken coastal trees and the disappearing beaches and the flooding into foundations such as has not been seen before. I am not worshipful (whatever the heck that means) and I cant deny what I, and others in my area, are seeing. I do believe anyone who wants to shut the whole discussion down is just spouting someone else's corrupted and unbalanced and politicized talking-head BS. Yes Al Gore is a schmuck and I wish he'd shut his dang mouth. Can yall say the same about Hannity and Rush and all the rest of them who have a MASSIVE market on conspiracies? Its a Jerry Springer world out there, meanwhile, we'll be sinking the ship.

Cute Zant, you do the same. Or go get your own freaking planet to carp on.

What about the glacier in Argentina (If I remember correctly) that is melting at a rapid rate.. Only to discover that there are plants under it that were QUICK FROZEN showing the glacier came as fast as it is melting.. The scientists are amazed that they get to examine million year old plants in good condition, instead of fossils only.. Well imagine that Mother Nature does something unexpected. Yet you continue to blame man..

Also land has this bad habit of rising and falling all over the earth.. Land rises in Europe and falls somewhere else.. This is how some of the mountains were made, and how the valleys and lakes were formed.. But I am assuming I don't have to give you a geological lesson or do I? You know I once heard that the State of HI didn't exist at one point in history, but of course man made _______ (pick a catastrophic event) caused the seas to fall and expose the islands. I mean we can't blame mother nature and her volcanoes for this.. That would be wrong... Also note from one report I saw one side of the Great lakes is falling while the other side is rising. I guess there are just to many fat people on the side that is falling.. So I guess it is man's fault after all....NOT!

YuccaFlatsRanch · #35 08/31/11, 11:28 AM

Much of what you see weather wise these days is the significantly increased reporting on the internet and cable news. 10 years ago and for sure 15-20years ago things happened, but only local people knew or cared about it. AH, for the good old days.

salmonslayer · #36 08/31/11, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

From that link:

Can't Predict Hurricane Intensity, But... - General Chat

Meh. The mean sea level is still much higher now than it was 20 years ago and in spite of the 1/4" drop it was still higher in 2010 than it was in 2008. I don't think anyone should attach significance to annual drops and rises. A quarter inch drop for the one year is not significant, it means nothing when you look at how it's continually gone up and down in bits and bites over the past 20 years of steady increase. What's more important is to compare the level now with the level 10 and 20 years ago and you can see that it is steadily rising at an average of 3.2 mm per year.

I think it is hard for them to measure sea levels and have it mean anything significant unless you're looking at a 20 year span instead of an annual span. Most of Earth's tides are called mixed tides because the two high tides each day are rarely equal and the two low tides each day are also rarely equal. Something I find interesting is that sea levels are never the same in all oceans (not counting the ups and downs of twice daily tides). No matter what the tides are doing the entire Atlantic ocean's level is actually higher than the entire Pacific Ocean by quite a bit and always has been. There are even sections of both the Atlantic and the Pacific that have permanent bulges rising up in the water that are higher than the areas surrounding them because of vertical upwelling and downwelling currents.

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Oh I know what the link said and I agree with you, sea levels have risen over the past 100 years but poor PurpleMartin is sitting in coastal NC wringing her hands because she can see the glacial melt water everyday washing away more of her beach. I can provide many links and research papers disputing a lot of what keep being spouted by the messianic followers of ALGORE who is the titular head the AGW movement but what I get in return are comments about Rush and Hannity who are heads of nothing and since I dont have cable I dont even get to see or hear them even if I wanted (and I dont).

Its that type of uneducated baloney thats being touted by ALGORE and gullible people are swallowing it hook line and sinker. Like most things the truth is somewhere in the middle but criminals like ALGORE who makes tens of millions out of scaring folks dont have any room in their so called science for testing their theories. Its not science, its religion.

Sawmill Jim · #37 08/31/11, 05:25 PM

Good ol Al the only thing he cares about raising is his bank acct