What has Obama's presidency done for you?

Tricky Grama · #81 08/10/11, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

Being for sale to the highest bidder wouldn't be a communist trait. That would be a capitalist trait.

BWhahaha! Goes to show what you know.

Tricky Grama · #82 08/10/11, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

Do you have a link or stories to what happened in private meetings?

Of course! Are you kidding? With this "most open & transparent administration yet? I'm sure all the meetings are on record.
"This will be the most honest administration"-Nan Pelosi.

BWhahahah! Chicago style.

Tricky Grama · #83 08/10/11, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by greg273

Interesting thread... finally something besides 'anti-Obama, all the time.'

What Obama has done... Kept us out of a war with Iran. Is winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is concentrating spending on DOMESTIC issues rather than shipping C-130's full of cash to the middle east. Brought the economy back from the brink of a depression.

Riiiight. Like all those 'sit down & talk' sessions w/Iran?? Ya know like he promised b/4 election? BWHahahaha!!
Loads of cash to the ME? Yup-goes on daily.
Brought the economy BACK??? Where do you live? Can you COUNT?? Look at the job #s!
C'mon man!! Make some sense here!

Tricky Grama · #84 08/10/11, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SageLady

He saved the auto industry and the positive result is that my DH continues to receive his pension check....
Of course, we all know why he saved GM and Chrysler - for the union support and votes. He also had his car czar try to get GM and Chrysler to dump the retirees pensions in the bankruptcy negotiations. He doesn't care about us old folks whatsoever. Of course, the Repubs would of dumped the retirees pensions too without batting an eye. They REALLY don't care about old folks - they would dump SS and Medicare if they could.
Right now we're just thankful to have the pension income that my DH worked long and hard for over 35 years....

Yeah, like the "Rs" did w/the UNhealth care bill-stripped 500 billion from medicare.
Oh, wait! That was the community organizer sock puppet!
Show us where the "Rs" have dropped SS & medicare.
Drink the koolaid much??

Tricky Grama · #85 08/10/11, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

Anyone who says we aren't still spending in the Middle East has never heard of Egypt, Syria, or Libya

OR the kahzillions sent to HAMAS!

Tricky Grama · #86 08/10/11, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NoClue

You forget the part where passing it was continually stalled so that it could be mangled into pointlessness in his riduculous, unnecessary, pointless, quixotic attempts to get a bi-partisan bill. If he were the communist messiah you accuse him of being, with his full control of the senate, he could have actually socialized medicine, and instituted actual government administered health care. What passed is in no way even remotely socialist.

Obama has failed. We can agree on that. You could build a platform on that. His legislative and policy 'accomplishments' are just plain wrong and destined for failure if they haven't already failed. We agree on that. You could build a platform on that.

With such a platform, you could retake the Presidency, and loot Obama's base to hand him an electoral embarassment not seen since Reagan beat Mondale. Handled properly, you could even defuse the polarization of the country, and actually bring people together. America might actually become a better place, and look like the country we ALL believe it should be.

But that doesn't seem to be what you're interested in. What's more important is that you 'prove' Obama is a socialist, marxist, islamist, fascist, foreign-born, racist, black-liberationist, bi-sexual, illegitimate, over-educated, madrassa-trained, ivy-league, amoral, ideologue, brain-dead proxy for dark, nebulous, powers that want to enslave us, starve us, poison us, kill us, steal any children that escape manadory abortion and sterilization, force us into dhimmi-tude or convert us to islam and/or atheism and/or nature-worshiping pantheism, and anyone who argues that it simply isn't possible must be drinking the special Kool-Aid.

Well, I'm sorry. It's not going to work. I'm too old, too smart, too educated, too well-traveled, too American to believe that the only way to beat Stalin is to support Hitler. I want Obama out of office, but replacing him with only a different flavor of incompetence and wrong-headedness isn't going to do any good.

You talkin' to ME??!!?
Don't think I've been the one who's TRYING to PROVE those things...ain't hard showing how incomptent he is...seems tho that the left IS heck-bent on socialism or they wouldn't be so thrilled w/this guy & his background.
Who, BTW, has all those 'traits' you mentioned. Makes his incompetence even more distasteful.

BTW, I haven't seen you trying to prove otherwise...you like all the czars? Tell us which ones are biz friendly? Which ones are NOT anti-biz and or non-socialist?

ninny · #87 08/10/11, 07:58 AM

You're wound up this morning Tricky, too much coffee?

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Tricky Grama · #88 08/10/11, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ninny

You're wound up this morning Tricky, too much coffee?

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Yup, that & the fact that all the ones I disagree with post when I'm asleep.

linn · #89 08/10/11, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

You talkin' to ME??!!?
Don't think I've been the one who's TRYING to PROVE those things...ain't hard showing how incomptent he is...seems tho that the left IS heck-bent on socialism or they wouldn't be so thrilled w/this guy & his background.
Who, BTW, has all those 'traits' you mentioned. Makes his incompetence even more distasteful.

BTW, I haven't seen you trying to prove otherwise...you like all the czars? Tell us which ones are biz friendly? Which ones are NOT anti-biz and or non-socialist?

You go girl. Don't you just hate it when someone starts to pontificate?

NoClue · #90 08/10/11, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

You talkin' to ME??!!?
Don't think I've been the one who's TRYING to PROVE those things...ain't hard showing how incomptent he is...seems tho that the left IS heck-bent on socialism or they wouldn't be so thrilled w/this guy & his background.
Who, BTW, has all those 'traits' you mentioned. Makes his incompetence even more distasteful.

BTW, I haven't seen you trying to prove otherwise...you like all the czars? Tell us which ones are biz friendly? Which ones are NOT anti-biz and or non-socialist?

Yes, I'm talking to you, and all those supporting your cause.

Ok, I'll admit that you're not actually trying to prove anything. You just make snippy comments at everyone who doesn't think the way you do, working on the assumption that you are so obviously correct in your beliefs that proof is not required.

Absolutely nothing Obama has done is socialist or communist (still wrong-headed, but nothing has to be communist or socialist to be wrong). Socialism and communism, in simple terms means that economic and political capital are removed from the hands of private citizens and exercised by the nation-state for what it believes to be or claims is 'the common good'. The important, distinguishing characteristics here, that make communism what it is, that ALL (or nearly all) property and wealth belong to and are controlled by the state, for the direct benefit of the state.

So compare Obama's two major 'accomplishments':

TARP: Money was taken from private citizens and funneled through the state to private corporations, in exchange for non-voting shares. Unions, the closest thing the US has to socialist institutions were forced to concede wages, benefits, jobs, AND forced to buy non-voting shares in the corporations they worked for, while being forbidden to strike.

Health Care Reform: Private citizens are required to buy private insurance from private companies OR the government will sieze their assets in the form of fines and on behalf of those who can't afford to do so, the government will take money from private citizens in the form of taxes and pay it to private companies to insure and treat the poor.

How on earth is that socialism or communism?

What about 'Tsar' implies communism? Monarchism maybe, but communism?

The continuation of which Bush policies implies Communism?

Tricky Grama · #91 08/10/11, 10:33 AM

You know as well as I that NONE of BO's advisors are pro biz. NONE.

Van Jones is a self-avowed RADICAL communist.
Valerie Whatshername said publically that this admin was soooo glad to get him, been watching him since his activist days in CA-creating STORM as well as one of the 1st signers of the 'truther' movement!

The religious czar/advisor Jim Wawllis is admittedly socialist. Said so publically.

Look up Ron Bloom, Cass Sunstien, Carol Browner (she was a board member of "Socialsits International").

Look up the Appollo Alliance & who heads it. What they have done-like create the HC bill & Stinkulus, for starters.

Look up Ezekial Emmanuel & his belifs.
Andy Stern, most freq visitor in the WH last yr. "Share better the wealth"...

Look up John Holdren & his feeling on population control.

Look up Marc Lloyd & his radical ideas on how to control freedom of the press.

Then come tell us there's no communist/socialist tendendies in this WH.

Tabitha · #92 08/10/11, 10:52 AM

I am just curious why so many defend and cherish him.

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Because he is black and they are blooming racists.

to elaborate. I have talked to two white Obama admireres recently. One a white woman. I pointed out that he has not presented a birthcertificate. She said she does not care, it is not important. In other words truth and honesty are not important. adhering to the constitution is not important. I talked to a white male yesterday and basically the same. The important thing is to have a black in the white house. Nothing else counts.

what has changed for us? We have to pay 26% more for our health insurance.

Yvonne's hubby · #93 08/10/11, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

When I voted for Obama, I voted for peace, which he didn't bring, economic equality, which hasn't happened, power for the people rather than for big business which hasn't happened, power for the weak rather than the ultra-wealthy.....

Well then, from the sound of this you should be finding, joining up, and supporting your local tea party and their chosen candidates! These are the very things we are all about.

We want peace.. which is only obtainable in todays world with a strong miltary. (not necessarily to be used, (or should I say misused) but to have on hand if/when needed) We want economic equality.. via observation of our Constitution.. which is supposed to ensure every citizen the right to be all they can be, and again, observing the Constitution to return the power back to the states, and the people and get it OUT of the hands of the federal government and their uber wealthy cronies.

NoClue · #94 08/10/11, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

You know as well as I that NONE of BO's advisors are pro biz. NONE.

Van Jones is a self-avosed RADICAL communist.
Valerie Whatshername said publically that this admin was soooo glad to get him, been watching him since his activist days in CA-creating STORM as well as one of the 1st signers of the 'truther' movement!

The religious czar/advisor Jim Wawllis is admittedly socialist. Said so publically.

Look up Ron Bloom, Cass Sunstien, Carol Browner (she was a board member of "Socialsits International").

Look up the Appollo Alliance & who heads it. What they have done-like create the HC bill & Stinkulus, for starters.

Look up Ezekial Emmanuel & his belifs.
Andy Stern, most freq visitor in the WH last yr. "Share better the wealth"...

Look up John Holdren & his feeling on population control.

Look up Marc Lloyd & his radical ideas on how to control freedom of the press.

Then come tell us there's no communist/socialist tendendies in this WH.

That's not what I said. I said that nothing he's actually done - which isn't very much, Obama has failed on that count too - is actually socialist or communist. When what people SAY is different from what they actually DO, what they DO is more important.

You're also ignoring the fact that his actual finance and economic teams have exactly the same pedigrees and resumees of every president of the past 40 years (since Ronald Reagan), regardless of party. Geithner is no more a communist that Paulsen. Bernanke is just as much a Keynesian as Greenspan was.

The only 'businesses' that any administration has cared about in 40-odd years are large corporations, and Obama's policy has favored them just as much as Bush or Reagans. Look at their earnings statements and balance sheets, before you start spewing someone else's rhetoric about how anti-business this administration is: earnings and profits are up across the board the past two years; companies are sitting on larger cash reserves than any time in history; CEO salaries are outpacing their company averages by several hundred times - their taxes are the same; labor unions have been castrated; profits are up; productivity is up, wages and salaries for non-CEO's are down - and you still believe Obama is anti-business.

Nice dodge too: avoiding answering any of my questions.... Does the fact that most of my friends, and all of my mentors were conservatives make me one?

linn · #95 08/10/11, 11:48 AM

I would consider Obama Care as socialized medicine.

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Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. The admittedly Socialist Organization experienced a moderate rise in numbers between 1995 and 1999."

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j...#ixzz1Udqr7o2G

NoClue · #96 08/10/11, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by linn

I would consider Obama Care as socialized medicine.

What kind of socialism is it that requires the patient to write a check to a corporation, and to pay taxes, which pass through the government to end up being paid out to one or more corporations?

linn · #97 08/10/11, 11:56 AM

Is is still socialize medicined. It is run through government agencies, no freedom of choice, just the government's own HMOs. That is socialized medicine whether you want to admit it or not.

"A reasonable definition of socialized medicine is possible. Socialized medicine exists to the extent that government controls medical resources and socializes the costs. Reasonable people can disagree over whether Obama’s health plan would be good or bad. But to suggest that it is not a step toward socialized medicine is absurd."

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9679

Nevada · #98 08/10/11, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by linn

Is is still socialize medicined. It is run through government agencies, no freedom of choice, just the government's own HMOs. That is socialized medicine whether you want to admit it or not.

The government owns HMOs?

NoClue · #99 08/10/11, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by linn

Is is still socialize medicined. It is run through government agencies, no freedom of choice, just the government's own HMOs. That is socialized medicine whether you want to admit it or not.

"A reasonable definition of socialized medicine is possible. Socialized medicine exists to the extent that government controls medical resources and socializes the costs. Reasonable people can disagree over whether Obama’s health plan would be good or bad. But to suggest that it is not a step toward socialized medicine is absurd."

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9679

Ok... I see where this is going... socialism means whatever you want it to mean, thus Obamacare is socialized medicine....

of course, this definition can't be universally applied - if it it could, that would mean we already have socialized car insurance (the government mandates car insurance, and it defines the minimum coverage requirements), and it penalizes those who drive without purchasing it.

I'm not defnding Obamacare. I think it's a travesty. That doesn't make it socialism - things can be bad, wrong, evil, and unamerican without being socialism.

linn · #**100** 08/10/11, 12:32 PM

Excuse me, now that I have proven to you that Obama care is essentially socialized medicine and given evidence that Obama supports socialist organizations, you have to branch off into something else. Obama is for a socialist society and he has associations with domestic terrorists and a hate-preaching racist.
It seems to me that you had no argument about socialized medicine being part of the soicalist movement until I gave you a credible source stating that Obama Care was soicalized medicine. Now you seem to want to change the definition of soicialism to skirt the issue. Socialist seek to redistribute the wealth and Obama and the liberals sure seem bent on doing that.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas...t-connections/