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Old 08/09/11, 02:30 PM
 
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Obama is not even a progressive, let alone a Marxist/communist. He's backed-off on every liberal promise he's ever made.
That's how I feel too. He is allowing his more liberal agenda to be completely stampeded into oblivion. And that bothers me.
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He was raised by Communists
His "mentor" was a Communist
His father was a socialist
He was anointed by Communists
How can you say he's not a Communist?
By those standards, I'm a Republican, and I AM NOT a Republican
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How can you say he's not a Communist?
He may have more left leaning ideals than you like, but he doesn't follow through on them. Look at the health care mess. He should have pushed through universal care for all Americans when Congress had the votes to do it. I would have if I were president. I would have called the rank and file Dems to task to push it through and let the GOP squack and whine with no remorse for doing it. Our nation needs to care for our citizens.

But, instead, he allowed debates and talks and all sorts of compromises into the equation. He has bowed to cow tow the GOP. And I feel that is disgusting. He is not left enough for my liking. Over and over again, he has made compromises for the right. He really isn't "communist" at all. If anything, he is a right-wing lover. And that is not what he was elected to be at all. People who chose to support him wanted a more left approach than he is showing. He is not left enough for my liking. And he has been too compromising to the right on economic matters.
When I voted for Obama, I voted for peace, which he didn't bring, economic equality, which hasn't happened, power for the people rather than for big business which hasn't happened, power for the weak rather than the ultra-wealthy..... He has followed through on none of that. He is way too right winged for my liking. I'd like to see some "bail-outs" for the people of the nation rather than simply for big banks and auto makers. I'd like to see the downtrodden and poor have access to decent medical care. I'd like to see children have access to good dental care..... We need some left leaning politicians to lead our nation rather than simply showing such favoritism to the ultra-wealthy and big business. We need for our troops to be home where they are safe to build our nation rather than off killing somebody to profit an oil company.
Obama isn't left leaning at all when you look at his record.
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Old 08/09/11, 04:49 PM
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He's only backing down on his agenda now because his Dem party is no longer in power. When he was trying to get the health care bill passed there were a few key hold-outs that after long trips in Air Force One disembarked from the plane saying what a great plan it was and how lucky we would be to have it. The only reason he's not in jail for threats and intimidation is because he has/had those politicians by the 'nads and they know it. They don't dare publicize what happened in those private meetings.
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He's only backing down on his agenda now because his Dem party is no longer in power. When he was trying to get the health care bill passed there were a few key hold-outs that after long trips in Air Force One disembarked from the plane saying what a great plan it was and how lucky we would be to have it. The only reason he's not in jail for threats and intimidation is because he has/had those politicians by the 'nads and they know it. They don't dare publicize what happened in those private meetings.
Do you have a link or stories to what happened in private meetings?
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You are right, that's not much of a choice.
Cornhusker and Nevada agree on something?!

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By those standards, I'm a Republican, and I AM NOT a Republican
I can tell
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Cornhusker and Nevada agree on something?!

I'm RUNNING over to the Survival Forum cause I think the first sign of the Appocalypse has happened.....
Either he really likes Romney or I really don't like him........
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Old 08/09/11, 06:59 PM
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Even though I'm sure that someone is trolling, I'll give it a whirl.

Has any of his decisions affected you personally? If so how? Towards the end of the Bush Presidency, my DH's company was starting to have financial problems. Due to some of Obama's infusion of money in the infrastructure, we have been employed and owning our own company all of this time. Now that the Republicans are beefin' about putting money in the infrastructure and making Obama cut some of these programs, we're looking at possibly shutting the company down.

What exactly has improved since he's been president? Well, we sold our house for a nice profit (thanks to the homeowners incentives), moved out of suburbia and now have almost 5 acres of Heaven.

What were you hoping would improve when he was elected in? I was hoping to be able to move out to the country on a few acres. Mission accomplished.

I am just curious why so many defend and cherish him. Personal employment and prosperity do that to a person.


I would like to note, however, that I don't think we can lay all of these problems and successes at the feet of one person. The downturn has multiple factors of causation and voting one person in or out of office will not solve this. It took us years to get into this mess and it'll take years to get out.
This is similar to my situation... Under Bush, hubby's company began to struggle and cut his work week by one day. After 4 months under Obama, hubby was back to full work weeks and more importantly, a full paycheck.

Since the Republicans have started saying no to everything, I no longer feel that my job is as safe as it once was and I worry about new job creation. You see, while the big companies are shipping jobs overseas and downsizing their workforces, I work to help unemployed and underemployed people to start new businesses and create jobs. The Republicans seem to be enamored of "trickle down economics" which never seems to trickle down far enough.

Another thing that has improved for us is that we are making headway on paying off the mortgages on our rental properties. We are on track to reach our goals, so that we can buy a farm. That happened on President Obama's watch, though I also cannot lay it all at his feet. There are many factors at work.
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Old 08/09/11, 07:04 PM
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He may have more left leaning ideals than you like, but he doesn't follow through on them. Look at the health care mess. He should have pushed through universal care for all Americans when Congress had the votes to do it. I would have if I were president. I would have called the rank and file Dems to task to push it through and let the GOP squack and whine with no remorse for doing it. Our nation needs to care for our citizens.

But, instead, he allowed debates and talks and all sorts of compromises into the equation. He has bowed to cow tow the GOP. And I feel that is disgusting. He is not left enough for my liking. Over and over again, he has made compromises for the right. He really isn't "communist" at all. If anything, he is a right-wing lover. And that is not what he was elected to be at all. People who chose to support him wanted a more left approach than he is showing. He is not left enough for my liking. And he has been too compromising to the right on economic matters.
When I voted for Obama, I voted for peace, which he didn't bring, economic equality, which hasn't happened, power for the people rather than for big business which hasn't happened, power for the weak rather than the ultra-wealthy..... He has followed through on none of that. He is way too right winged for my liking. I'd like to see some "bail-outs" for the people of the nation rather than simply for big banks and auto makers. I'd like to see the downtrodden and poor have access to decent medical care. I'd like to see children have access to good dental care..... We need some left leaning politicians to lead our nation rather than simply showing such favoritism to the ultra-wealthy and big business. We need for our troops to be home where they are safe to build our nation rather than off killing somebody to profit an oil company.
Obama isn't left leaning at all when you look at his record.
I hope you know you lose all credibility when you say the community organizer sock puppet cow-towed to the "Rs" ANYTIME in the 1st 2 yrs of his reign.
That just is FALSE. He HAD to get the UNhealthcare bill passed thru HIS "Ds"!! Did NOT need ONE "R"! It was his own party who would not allow the total socialist bill to be passed.
"Rs" were locked out of meetings, were NOT put on any committees, were told to sit down & shut up-go sit in the back of the bus.
Yeah, he couldn't get all the communist ideas passed b/c not all "Ds" are communists.
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Interesting thread... finally something besides 'anti-Obama, all the time.'

What Obama has done... Kept us out of a war with Iran. Is winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is concentrating spending on DOMESTIC issues rather than shipping C-130's full of cash to the middle east. Brought the economy back from the brink of a depression.
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Is concentrating spending on DOMESTIC issues rather than shipping C-130's full of cash to the middle east.
LOL

You don't read the news much do you?
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Old 08/09/11, 11:24 PM
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Do you have a link or stories to what happened in private meetings?
Of course not. Zack Space was one of the key votes that was changed though. before his "tour" he was dead set against the bill. Got off the plane and was a whole hearted supporter.
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Old 08/10/11, 12:11 AM
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LOL

You don't read the news much do you?
Interestingly, no matter what I read in the news there's always a conservative ready to tell me that it's the way the liberal news media presents it, the wrong person was interviewed, or that I am just plain wrong. The same is true for history, and even science.
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Interestingly, no matter what I read in the news there's always a conservative ready to tell me that it's the way the liberal news media presents it, the wrong person was interviewed, or that I am just plain wrong. The same is true for history, and even science.
That's a two way street. Sadly
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Of course not. Zack Space was one of the key votes that was changed though. before his "tour" he was dead set against the bill. Got off the plane and was a whole hearted supporter.
Zack Space's vote went from Yes for House Bill to No for Senate Bill.

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"Probably the most significant concern is the pay-fors in the bill," said Space. "They are opening the door to taxing employee benefits as income, which is going to create, I don’t care how you slice it, a hardship for middle class families that they can’t afford to endure right now."

Space said the version of the bill he supported last year taxed the wealthiest Americans, rather than the middle class, to pay some of the working poor's health care costs.

"This bill has taken those people out of it," said Space.

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He saved the auto industry and the positive result is that my DH continues to receive his pension check....
Of course, we all know why he saved GM and Chrysler - for the union support and votes. He also had his car czar try to get GM and Chrysler to dump the retirees pensions in the bankruptcy negotiations. He doesn't care about us old folks whatsoever. Of course, the Repubs would of dumped the retirees pensions too without batting an eye. They REALLY don't care about old folks - they would dump SS and Medicare if they could.
Right now we're just thankful to have the pension income that my DH worked long and hard for over 35 years....
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Interestingly, no matter what I read in the news there's always a conservative ready to tell me that it's the way the liberal news media presents it, the wrong person was interviewed, or that I am just plain wrong. The same is true for history, and even science.
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I hope you know you lose all credibility when you say the community organizer sock puppet cow-towed to the "Rs" ANYTIME in the 1st 2 yrs of his reign.
That just is FALSE. He HAD to get the UNhealthcare bill passed thru HIS "Ds"!! Did NOT need ONE "R"! It was his own party who would not allow the total socialist bill to be passed.
"Rs" were locked out of meetings, were NOT put on any committees, were told to sit down & shut up-go sit in the back of the bus.
Yeah, he couldn't get all the communist ideas passed b/c not all "Ds" are communists.
You forget the part where passing it was continually stalled so that it could be mangled into pointlessness in his riduculous, unnecessary, pointless, quixotic attempts to get a bi-partisan bill. If he were the communist messiah you accuse him of being, with his full control of the senate, he could have actually socialized medicine, and instituted actual government administered health care. What passed is in no way even remotely socialist.

Obama has failed. We can agree on that. You could build a platform on that. His legislative and policy 'accomplishments' are just plain wrong and destined for failure if they haven't already failed. We agree on that. You could build a platform on that.

With such a platform, you could retake the Presidency, and loot Obama's base to hand him an electoral embarassment not seen since Reagan beat Mondale. Handled properly, you could even defuse the polarization of the country, and actually bring people together. America might actually become a better place, and look like the country we ALL believe it should be.

But that doesn't seem to be what you're interested in. What's more important is that you 'prove' Obama is a socialist, marxist, islamist, fascist, foreign-born, racist, black-liberationist, bi-sexual, illegitimate, over-educated, madrassa-trained, ivy-league, amoral, ideologue, brain-dead proxy for dark, nebulous, powers that want to enslave us, starve us, poison us, kill us, steal any children that escape manadory abortion and sterilization, force us into dhimmi-tude or convert us to islam and/or atheism and/or nature-worshiping pantheism, and anyone who argues that it simply isn't possible must be drinking the special Kool-Aid.

Well, I'm sorry. It's not going to work. I'm too old, too smart, too educated, too well-traveled, too American to believe that the only way to beat Stalin is to support Hitler. I want Obama out of office, but replacing him with only a different flavor of incompetence and wrong-headedness isn't going to do any good.
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He was raised by Communists
His "mentor" was a Communist
His father was a socialist
He was anointed by Communists
How can you say he's not a Communist?
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