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08/09/11, 10:38 AM
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You happen to be one of the few who took advantage of other's misfortune in this horrific presidency by getting a home for pennies on the dollar.
Don't blame you, just that not many were able to do this-far more lost their shirts & are still losing.
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But that wasn't a reflection on Obama. I have to give credit for making the house affordable to Bush.
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Personally, this admin has kept us from making ANYTHING on savings. Interest rates?? Sheesh-1/2%? Sure encourages folks to put away a little...NOT.
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I suppose, but I don't think you would like what higher interest rates would bring.
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08/09/11, 10:43 AM
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Has any of his decisions affected you personally? If so how?
1. For the first time in my 38 years of employment, my pay is less than the year before.
2. Risk to my personal health/safety has increased as the population's distrust of Government officials has begun too take a turn for the worse.
3. His attempts to railroad the economy into collapse have prompted me to put my dreams and desires on hold to free up funds to "stock the larder and batten the sails"... A cruise up the inside passage of Alaska would have been so much more fun
What exactly has improved since he's been president? American Patriotism, religious faith and decline in apathy as American's are waking up from a 295 year nap.....
What were you hoping would improve when he was elected in? I had hoped he would get us out of the Bush wars and bring our troops home......
I am just curious why so many defend and cherish him. As am I
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08/09/11, 10:55 AM
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But that wasn't a reflection on Obama. I have to give credit for making the house affordable to Bush.
I suppose, but I don't think you would like what higher interest rates would bring.
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Personally, if I wasn't thinking of our fellow americans, it would be good-our savings would be in hi int. CDs.
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08/09/11, 11:00 AM
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Has any of his decisions affected you personally? If so how?
What exactly has improved since he's been president?
What were you hoping would improve when he was elected in?
I am just curious why so many defend and cherish him.
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The stimulus was very helpful to my husband's business because a lot of new, big contracts were out there to bid on.
I was hoping he would first and foremost end the needless warmongering that shrub started. I was also hoping he would tax the ultrawealthy and take away breaks to big business like GE, BIG AG, BIG Pharma, etc. I was also hoping for basic universal healthcare for all Americans, not comprehensive, super human care, but basic healthcare. I have been disappointed on all these fronts.
I think he cares about people. If the election were held today, and the choices were the exact same two candidates, I would choose to vote for Obama again. I guess it depends on who the candidate is that runs against him next election as to whether I will choose to vote for President Obama again though. I am very disappointed in his continued lack of strength in standing up to the GOP and their warmongering mentality or their lack of concern for the poor.
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08/09/11, 11:04 AM
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Personally, if I wasn't thinking of our fellow americans, it would be good-our savings would be in hi int. CDs.
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But higher interest rates would almost certainly throw a wet blanket on what little economic activity we have. That would mean harder times for a lot of Americans.
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08/09/11, 11:06 AM
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I will say that when I voted, I did not vote FOR anyone, I voted AGAINST Obama because he literally scared me.
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You know what? I did the exact same thing for the exact same reason, only I voted against McCain because he scared me. I just think it is interesting that people had such fear at that election and actually voted against people instead of for people.
I voted against McCain because I was afraid he was another shrub, or even worse with the war mongering and hatred of the weak and poor in society.
And what is worse, I think people will probably be voting against again in this election rather than for the candidate that they feel is a good choice. People are scared now, and have been for a long time.
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08/09/11, 11:09 AM
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The stimulus was very helpful to my husband's business because a lot of new, big contracts were out there to bid on.
I was hoping he would first and foremost end the needless warmongering that shrub started. I was also hoping he would tax the ultrawealthy and take away breaks to big business like GE, BIG AG, BIG Pharma, etc. I was also hoping for basic universal healthcare for all Americans, not comprehensive, super human care, but basic healthcare. I have been disappointed on all these fronts.
I think he cares about people. If the election were held today, and the choices were the exact same two candidates, I would choose to vote for Obama again. I guess it depends on who the candidate is that runs against him next election as to whether I will choose to vote for President Obama again though. I am very disappointed in his continued lack of strength in standing up to the GOP and their warmongering mentality or their lack of concern for the poor.
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I suspect that's going to be my view in 2012 too. I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't worked harder to make his promises happen, but republicans aren't offering anything I like better. Given a choice between Obama or returning to Bush-era policies, I'll take Obama.
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08/09/11, 11:20 AM
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Personally, if I wasn't thinking of our fellow americans, it would be good-our savings would be in hi int. CDs.
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High interest rates will constipate an economy just as fast (maybe faster) than high interest rates.
I'm one of those that believe interest rates should have been raised a while back. Doing it now though, and I would most certainly enjoy earning some interest on my savings, will stifle what little bit of growth we have. I go a step further in believing that much of our present problems stems from keeping interest rates too low for too long - someone is bound to blame Obama for this, but it really goes back as far as Clinton, and neither political party is going to start playing the song.
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08/09/11, 12:07 PM
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" I think people will probably be voting against again in this election rather than for the candidate that they feel is a good choice."
We can vote for a GOOD choice? When did they start that?  I've yet to see a candidate for president I consider a good choice.
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08/09/11, 12:32 PM
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" I think people will probably be voting against again in this election rather than for the candidate that they feel is a good choice."
We can vote for a GOOD choice? When did they start that?  I've yet to see a candidate for president I consider a good choice. 
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Indications are that it will be Obama vs Romney in 2012. Where's the good choice?
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08/09/11, 12:55 PM
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Romney,McCain are Not Marxist/communists like Obama.
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08/09/11, 01:02 PM
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Romney,McCain are Not Marxist/communists like Obama.
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Obama is not even a progressive, let alone a Marxist/communist. He's backed-off on every liberal promise he's ever made.
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08/09/11, 01:20 PM
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Obama is not even a progressive, let alone a Marxist/communist. He's backed-off on every liberal promise he's ever made.
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He's only backed down on things his own party would not agree to passing. ONLY those things.
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08/09/11, 01:32 PM
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My fiancee is probably going to die because of Obamacare. He needs a heart valve replacement, but since we live with the person we rent from, and she makes a decent living, he doesn't qualify for medicaid. He's not yet disabled enough to qualify for disability (and it will be a 3-4 year fight to get it when he is.) Before Obamacare, we were on the list to get him on the Healthy Indiana Plan, which is a program that would have allowed us to purchase insurance for him at $250 a month. The new federal rules for state medicaid funding have led our state to deny this coverage to adults without kids. The cheapest insurance quote we have found, is more then he makes each month. So he's getting by with cheap meds from the low cost clinic, who are pushing him to see the cardiologist that already charged us $350 for nothing.
So due to his impending massive medical bills and our state's joint property laws, we're not planning on getting married any time soon.
Also, my doctor left the country rather then deal with the new rules, which put me in a bind, it's hard to find a doctor who will take a chronic pain patient, let alone one with neurological problems and kidney disease.
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Prayers are with you
We are facing a lack of medical care here too.
My doctor headed for Alaska, and our ER won't let you in the door if you aren't dying due to the complex, confusing and idiotic mess that is Obamacare
Even though it's not actually in effect, it's killing the medical industry and killing good people.
Nobody knows what to do because the morons who wrote it don't know what's in it, and it's so full of pork and contradictory rules, it's impossible to follow.
Another Obamaco success story
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08/09/11, 01:35 PM
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Indications are that it will be Obama vs Romney in 2012. Where's the good choice?
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You are right, that's not much of a choice.
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08/09/11, 01:38 PM
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He's only backed down on things his own party would not agree to passing. ONLY those things.
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Not really. Congress was clear about DADT, but Obama even tried to block congress' bill repealing it, by refusing the enforce the bill. Congress seemed to be behind the public option, and dems even had a majority at the time, but it was Obama who wanted it out of the bill.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. Even Obama doesn't see himself as a progressive any longer.
I would like to see him to pay a political price for that, but he probably won't.
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08/09/11, 01:41 PM
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Obama is not even a progressive, let alone a Marxist/communist. He's backed-off on every liberal promise he's ever made.
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He was raised by Communists
His "mentor" was a Communist
His father was a socialist
He was anointed by Communists
How can you say he's not a Communist?
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08/09/11, 01:43 PM
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Not really. Congress was clear about DADT, but Obama even tried to block congress' bill repealing it, by refusing the enforce the bill. Congress seemed to be behind the public option, and dems even had a majority at the time, but it was Obama who wanted it out of the bill.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. Even Obama doesn't see himself as a progressive any longer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3EVoF-LUdU
I would like to see him to pay a political price for that, but he probably won't.
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Obama is for sale to the highest bidder, just like any other corrupt politician.
Problem is, he's run by Soros, the guy who wants to crush our economy
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08/09/11, 01:43 PM
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Obama is not even a progressive, let alone a Marxist/communist. He's backed-off on every liberal promise he's ever made.
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He is an admitted Marxist, his family were communists.People just don't want to see it, many don't even know what they are.
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08/09/11, 02:00 PM
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Obama is for sale to the highest bidder, just like any other corrupt politician.
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Being for sale to the highest bidder wouldn't be a communist trait. That would be a capitalist trait.
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