Are Mormons Freemasons in Disguise?

I actually think that Romney, if he remained true to his faith, would make a good president. A buddhist, if he remained true to his faith, would make a good president. (Our nation wouldn't' become involved in wars that way.)
But that doesn't mean I think I agree with either of those faiths completely. It means I respect things about their belief system.

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Nah, more than likely it's because there are now two Mormons running for president. Yeah, that's right, Jon Huntsman threw his own hat in the ring a couple of weeks ago. I guess that doubles the threat up for some evangelical/mainstream folk.

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I guess I qualify as "evangelical/mainstream", and I assure you the fact that they are Mormon isn't a problem at all. I won't vote for either of them, but it's because they're both Progressives. Their religion is the least of my concerns.

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That's actually refreshing to hear. I likewise doubt I'll be voting for them, despite their being Mormon, for much the same reasons as you...they are too progressive for me.

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The Mormans I've known (including my Grandfather), have been pretty decent people. I don't agree with the Morman doctrine, but the same could be said for lots of other churches. There are more important issues to look at when choosing a President. I'm a Baptist, as was Jimmy Carter, and it sure didn't make him a good President.

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I was thinking more of the dem's only candidate.
He's not above slander, gossip, bribes, blackmail, whatever it takes.
We've seen it over and over.

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I am curious as to why people think Masons are bad?
Manyof the founding fathers were masons, along with many other important people in history.

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I suppose it is the thrill of being a part of a secret exclusive society?

My Great Grandpa was a Mason and I did not know it until he died and had the Masonic service, he also attended a Free Will Baptist Church.

Also back on topic, we got many "Communities of Christ"(RLDS) around here that oppose and do NOT practice ceremonies and rituals at their temples, (the Biggest one the Independence temple in Independence MO), they are also open to the public. I also believe they are "more pure" as a Church than those who went west, but I only have one side of the story.

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You only have one side of the story but you believe they're more pure?
I guess you must just jump to conclusions without having all the facts on hand.

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Not secret or exclusive on either the Masons or the Mormons, anyone can become one.

You chose the ashamed emoticon. Why would you be ashamed of that?


Did you ever ask your Great Grandfather?
How old were you when he died?
How many long conversations did you actually have with him asking him to tell you about himself?

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More pure?? How do you get "more pure"?

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more "enlighten" by not following a false leader, were they right by following Joseph Smith the 3rd as the "legitimate" successor? Or was Brigham Young the real deal?

Smith waited until he was "inspired by God" to take up his fathers mantle as President of the church.

If you read about the lawsuit, "Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints v. Williams" it was discussed that the RLDS Church, and NOT The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church),were the rightful legal successors to the Latter Day Saint church established by Joseph Smith, Jr., this was a issue over the Kirtland Temple, and who was the legitimate owners, tho the case was dismissed.

Yes, as most responsible Latter Day Saints have, I have read and studied this issue from all angles. You are getting a bit ahead of yourself though, aren't you? Yes, the suit was brought, and subsequently dismissed by the court, before any judgement was rendered. Though frequently misrepresented as the original product of Judge Sherman, the findings of fact in the case were written as a proposed judgment, or nonlegal finding of fact. by E. L. Kelley, attorney for the RLDS Church. Judge Sherman entered Kelley's proposed judgment into the non-binding findings, regarding the legitimacy of RLDS claims. The court actually issued no judgment at all but chose instead to completely dismiss the case. Though the court dismissed the case, the publication of the findings of fact filed by the attorney representing the RLDS Church in the Painesville Telegraph effectively gave the false impression that the Kirtland Temple Suit had been won. The March 15, 1880, issue of the church organ Saints' Herald also omitted the last two sentences which stated that the case was dismissed.Therefore, the case has been celebrated within the RLDS Church for its determination that the RLDS Church, and not the LDS Church, was the lawful successor to Joseph Smith's original organization.
Now, all that being said, what would the courts prove anyway? They crucified Jesus as a blasphemer, but that didn't change the fact that he was exactly what/who he claimed to be, the Son of God. Just because a judge, district attorney, or even the president of the united states claims that a religion isn't valid, legitimate, or true, has no bearing in reality or fact whatsoever. It's merely the opinion, or wish, of the mortal rendering the opinion.
So being cloaked in deception equals purity?

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It all comes down to this, was Brigham Young the leader of the church? yes, until Joseph Smith III was president, he could claim that title... what happened in Utah was amazing.

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Not going to answer?

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How in the world do you come up with this fascinating tidbit? I've heard various versions of this theory, but never quite this!

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Three distinguishing principles of secret societies are secrecy, their peculiar emphasis on benevolence, and their system of regalia, badges, rank and formalities, as well as many incidental practices that are radically false, and plainly opposed to sound reason and the Word of God.


I was 7 or 8 years old when he died. At the time all I cared for was the butterfingers, and you just don't think of those questions at that age.

God promised Joseph Smith that his blessing would, "also be put upon the head of his posterity after him." It was Brigham Young and the larger body who truly apostatized.

Brigham Young was not appointed to the gift of prophetic leadership by Joseph Smith. Did Joseph ordain any man to take his place? He did, Who was it?

Joseph Smith, appointed his son, Joseph Smith III, to be his successor. This is in absolute harmony with instructions and promised of God regarding those upon whom the gift of prophetic leadership would be placed. However, some have attacked these testimonies on the basis that this young man waited so long to assume the duties of this appointment. The church recognized the need not only for appointment but for revelation in the calling of the prophet.

History proves that this young man waited for this church by a power not his own.

Leaders of the Church in Utah have often quoted only a portion of the testimony of Joseph Smith III and thus attempted to discredit him.

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So you say it was a great secret until his funeral -- to a 7 or 8 year old who only cared about the candy he got. Yes, sorry Vern, I don't think you're running on all 8 cylinders on this one.

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considering only congress has the ability to declare war, I don't think even if the president was Gandi. would it keep us from war. perhaps places like Libya but not war.