As new info continues to emerge

naturelover · #41 07/14/11, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zant

....makes one wonder with a major election in US coming up why what happened in UK tabloid is important to them.....

I think maybe what happened with the British tabloid was just the final straw to break the camels back as there are now more and more allegations coming to light. Judging by all the headlines today it looks like both the British and Australian Parliaments and the U.S. Congress are intent on taking him down, and his empire with him. There are allegations of blackmail and bribery, paying off U.S. lobbyists who opposed the U.S. anti-bribery law, hacking of thousands of U.S., Australian and British voicemails, and on and on:

http://news.google.ca/news/search?pz...cf=all&start=0

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SquashNut · #42 07/14/11, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zant

Democrats/the lamestream want to"investigate" a guy who just happens to own a news network they hate....but don't want to investigate this regime selling guns to drug/criminal cartels....makes one wonder with a major election in US coming up why what happened in UK tabloid is important to them.....

I thought I was the only one thinking that way.

stormwalker · #43 07/14/11, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

Bombing government troops in Libya and demanding that their leader leave office when they were no threat to us whatsoever is far more than poking our noses in their business.

You think iraq was a threat?
Since when was Gaddafi no threat to the world?

**Tiempo** · #44 07/17/11, 09:45 AM

And so it grows

Rebekah Brooks first quit has now been arrested

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...l/1?csp=34news

farmerpat · #45 07/17/11, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

I'm thinking some of you never even heard of the guy before this topic got posted so you never knew how much influence and control he has over America, Britain and Australia.

If you're an American, especially if you're a conservative, meet your tyrant puppet master who has been pulling all of your strings for decades:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...7/b122948.html

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Oh puleeeeeeze

tyrant puppet master?

And yes, some of us HAVE heard of Rupert Murdoch before now. Some of us DO follow more than Michele's latest belt dress disaster in the WH garden, or Barack's latest golf score. Not all of us listen to CommieNewsNetwork.

**Tiempo** · #46 07/17/11, 03:17 PM

Dang.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...t-in-full.html

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I have this afternoon informed the Palace, the Home Secretary and the Mayor of my intention to resign as Commissioner of the [London] Metropolitan Police Service.

7thswan · #47 07/17/11, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

These days it's hard to tell when anyone is pulling someone elses leg.

Off topic a bit, but not really. I know it gets confusing for people. Canada is a constitutional monarchy, yes. Canada chose Elizabeth the 2nd as the Queen of Canada. As the Queen of Canada she is not the Queen of England, she is only the Queen of Canada. She alone is the people's choice of Monarch for Canada. We did not inherit her, and we don't inherit her royal line. We may choose her line if we wish.

If the people chose to do so they could choose a different person from either Canada or some other country as their monarch, and perhaps some day Canada will do that, maybe we'll choose somebody from Canada, but I think it's unlikely. But right now the people's choice for Monarch is Elizabeth the 2nd, who is also the Queen of 16 other independent sovereign state countries who also chose to retain her as their monarch. In all likelihood the future reigning monarchs of Britain will continue to inherit the monarchy in most of the other monarchical countries but that remains to be seen whether or not it's in their best interests. When Elizabeth dies some countries might end up choosing some other people from other places as monarchs for their countries.

That is one of the reasons why there are no longer any subjects to the British Crown and no citizens of any commonwealth nations are subjects to their own respective Crown monarchies. Being a subject to any Crown in the commonwealth nations was abolished 60 years ago. We are all sovereign citizens of our nations, just like all Americans are sovereign citizens of America.

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Obama was born a British subject because his father was a Citizen of Kenya at the time of Obamas birth. So exactly what does that meen in relation to what you are saying? Thank You.

naturelover · #48 07/17/11, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Obama was born a British subject because his father was a Citizen of Kenya at the time of Obamas birth. So exactly what does that meen in relation to what you are saying? Thank You.

I don't really know if it means anything if his father was a national of Kenya prior to 1964. His father might have been a subject of the Crown prior to 1964 (when Kenya became an independent republic) but his father wasn't a British citizen, he was a Kenyan national who would have achieved sovereign citizenship in 1964.

Barak Obama was born in 1961 on American soil to an American mother which would mean his citizenship status is a sovereign citizen of the republic of America, not a British citizen and not a subject of the British Crown.

If he had been born in Kenya he would have been a Kenyan national and he might have been a subject of the Crown in 1961 but he would have ceased to be a subject and become a Kenyan sovereign citizen in 1964.

That is my understanding of how that would have been.

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Cornhusker · #49 07/17/11, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Del Gue

Please let foxnews be next
Please let foxnews be next
Please let foxnews be next

Yeah, we don't need anybody telling the truth about Obama, his associates, his boss and the rest do we?
I mean what are they thinking throwing all that information out there trying to get people to think for themselves?
People should just listen to MSNBC so they can all get a tingle up their leg when Obama speaks, just like Chris Matthews.
Leftist propaganda is all the unwashed masses need hear.
Why else has George Soros been trying to shut down Fox News?
I mean he was Nazi Sympathizer and he pulls Obama's strings, so there's nothing to hide now is there?
Yep, you are a good citizen of Obamanation, "Down with truth!!Up with Lord Obama!!" you go girl!!

7thswan · #50 07/18/11, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

I don't really know if it means anything if his father was a national of Kenya prior to 1964. His father might have been a subject of the Crown prior to 1964 (when Kenya became an independent republic) but his father wasn't a British citizen, he was a Kenyan national who would have achieved sovereign citizenship in 1964.

Barack Obama was born in 1961 on American soil to an American mother which would mean his citizenship status is a sovereign citizen of the republic of America, not a British citizen and not a subject of the British Crown.

If he had been born in Kenya he would have been a Kenyan national and he might have been a subject of the Crown in 1961 but he would have ceased to be a subject and become a Kenyan sovereign citizen in 1964.

That is my understanding of how that would have been.

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His Mother was too young to coffer(sp) her citizenship, at the time of his birth. Thanks anyway,it gets confusing for sure.

Paumon · #51 07/18/11, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

His Mother was too young to coffer(sp) her citizenship, at the time of his birth. Thanks anyway,it gets confusing for sure.

Native-born citizenship in America is not something that is conferred by the parent, no matter how old the parent is - citizenship in America is conferred by place of birth. His mother could have been 11 y.o. when he was born and it wouldn't have made any difference to his citizenship. Simply being born on American soil made him a native-born citizen of the United States of America and a citizen of the State of Hawaii.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen..._United_States

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...S._territories

"All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, are native-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a U.S. State on August 21, 1959."

This is the United States Nationality Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ationality_law

7thswan · #52 07/18/11, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paumon

Native-born citizenship in America is not something that is conferred by the parent, no matter how old the parent is - citizenship in America is conferred by place of birth. His mother could have been 11 y.o. when he was born and it wouldn't have made any difference to his citizenship. Simply being born on American soil made him a native-born citizen of the United States of America and a citizen of the State of Hawaii.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen..._United_States

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...S._territories

"All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, are native-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a U.S. State on August 21, 1959."

This is the United States Nationality Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ationality_law

Factcheck.org “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

naturelover · #53 07/18/11, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Factcheck.org “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Yes, that all concurs with what I already told you. That would have applied to native-born Obama Sr. and any of his children who were native-born in Kenya - they would have been British subjects before 1964 but no longer British subjects after 1964.

Obama Jr. was not born in Kenya though, he was native-born in U.S.A. which is a Sovereign nation. Sovereign means being independent of any outside authority. Being born on sovereign American soil to a sovereign American native-born citizen mother would make him a sovereign native-born citizen of the U.S.A. He was born independent of British or any other nation's authority or laws and is answerable only to the authority of the U.S.A.

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**Tiempo** · #54 07/18/11, 04:55 PM

Back to the original topic, the deputy police commissioner has now also resigned (as well as the commissioner), and the News of the World whistleblower has been found dead.

naturelover · #55 07/18/11, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

Back to the original topic, the deputy police commissioner has now also resigned (as well as the commissioner), and the News of the World whistleblower has been found dead.

Sorry for the topic drift Tiempo, but people did ask and I feel if an explanation can clear up any misunderstandings then it's best to explain on the spot.

Was there any indication of cause of death of the whistleblower? Do you know if suicide was suspected?

That is going to be quite a blow to the Metro police if the deputy police commissioner has also resigned now.

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naturelover · #56 07/18/11, 05:08 PM

Never mind, I found it:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...-1226097240186

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**Tiempo** · #57 07/18/11, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

Sorry for the topic drift Tiempo, but people did ask and I feel if an explanation can clear up any misunderstandings then it's best to explain on the spot.

Was there any indication of cause of death of the whistleblower? Do you know if suicide was suspected?

That is going to be quite a blow to the Metro police if the deputy police commissioner has also resigned now.

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I didn't mean it as a rebuke NL...I'm the queen of thread drift

They are saying that right now nothing indicates a suspicious death, time will tell (maybe). It could have been suicide because of the pressure

but they aren't saying yet.

naturelover · #58 07/20/11, 02:14 AM

LOL. You just can't make this stuff up.

In a stunning display of lax security in the British Parliament, 80-year old media mogul Rupert Murdoch was attacked by a pie-throwing protestor as he was testifying Monday to Parliament members.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...html?r=topnews

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British lawmakers ready to humble Rupert Murdoch ended up apologizing to him Tuesday after a protester smacked the aging media titan in the face with a shaving cream pie.

Murdoch's wife, Wendi Deng, leapt to her husband's defense, slapping at the pie-thrower with elan.

Then she picked up the pie plate and tried to hit the attacker with it.

Police arrested Jonathan May-Bowles, aka Jonnie Marbles, a comedian and activist with UK Uncut, which protests corporate bigwigs who avoid paying taxes.

"You are a greedy billionaire," witnesses quoted him as saying.

Twenty minutes before he pied Murdoch, May-Bowles Tweeted:
"It is a far better thing that I do now than I have ever done before. #splat."

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beowoulf90 · #59 07/20/11, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

LOL. You just can't make this stuff up.

In a stunning display of lax security in the British Parliament, 80-year old media mogul Rupert Murdoch was attacked by a pie-throwing protestor as he was testifying Monday to Parliament members.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...html?r=topnews

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Yup, they all should be treated to TSA style pat downs before they enter the building... That could very easily have been a cheeseburger and caused irreparable damage to his arteries....