Flash Mobs - The Entitlement Mentality At Its Worst

earthkitty · #61 07/02/11, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

Are you inferring the original "Tea Party" was wrong?

I took it that he was being halfway serious, while silly at the same time.

I thought it was funny.

YuccaFlatsRanch · #62 07/02/11, 11:05 AM

If not a large majority then a statistically significant majority. You don't see the Asians in Flash Mobs, seldom the Hispanics and white populations. In the "bar fights" you see at McDonalds, etc you most often see women involved and probably half the time they are black. The truly violent ones such as the one where the girls beat another girl to the point she was having seizures were black. In that "Bar Fight" it was because the girl who got beaten was "eyeballing my man".

The scariest part of these scenarios is that these people are "qualified to vote". We truly get the Government We Vote For. We are doomed.

earthkitty · #63 07/02/11, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

If your nephew is in law enforcement and happens to share the view that all blacks are immoral and have no family values, then he really should be removed from the force, because he is only capable of protecting and serving a percentage of the general population.

I think it is telling that you assumed that he is a cop. He isn't. He is a night manager at a large convenience store, and consistently at every store, it is not the illegals or the white trash who cause problems. It is the welfare mothers who scream at their kids or pay no attention to them at all (he regularly has to deal with little kids showing up by themselves at two in the morning), the pimp daddies driving their Escalades, using their vision cards to buy red bull and buying cigarillos with wads of cash, or even those types of people fighting amongst themselves. A few weeks ago one of them stabbed another. And they regularly shut the stores down, across the city, with their mob violence.

During the day the stores are fine.

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For every black person who commits foodstamp fraud, ends up in jail or on drugs there are plenty of others who have never done any of those things. You don't see them because they are at work when the tv crews come around to videotape the latest crime scene. You don't see them on street corners at 3am because they are sleeping and have to report to work at 7am. They attend or volunteer at their children's after-school activities. They supervise homework and assign chores to their children. You won't see them driving Escalades or BMW's. There won't be spinning rims or tinted car windows.

If you believe what you see portrayed in the media, then a person like me doesn't really exist, except on the Cosby Show.

Of course there are two side to any group of people. Again, I never said that all black people are just terrible, and there aren't any good people among them. That's silly.

But when you honestly discuss any problem, it is a given that you are not dicussing the people who aren't the problem. People like you, the people in my church, my daughter's friends, my old neighbor, I'm not talking about those people, good people.

Why can't we as a society have a discussion about a problem without having to preface that discussion with "some, not all".

And if I were part of the good group, I'd be pretty angry at the bad group.

TheMartianChick · #64 07/02/11, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by earthkitty

I think it is telling that you assumed that he is a cop. He isn't. He is a night manager at a large convenience store, and consistently at every store, it is not the illegals or the white trash who cause problems. It is the welfare mothers who scream at their kids or pay no attention to them at all (he regularly has to deal with little kids showing up by themselves at two in the morning), the pimp daddies driving their Escalades, using their vision cards to buy red bull and buying cigarillos with wads of cash, or even those types of people fighting amongst themselves. A few weeks ago one of them stabbed another. And they regularly shut the stores down, across the city, with their mob violence.

During the day the stores are fine.

Of course there are two side to any group of people. Again, I never said that all black people are just terrible, and there aren't any good people among them. That's silly.

But when you honestly discuss any problem, it is a given that you are not dicussing the people who aren't the problem. People like you, the people in my church, my daughter's friends, my old neighbor, I'm not talking about those people, good people.

Why can't we as a society have a discussion about a problem without having to preface that discussion with "some, not all".

And if I were part of the good group, I'd be pretty angry at the bad group.

I did not assume that your nephew was a cop... I said 'if he is a cop...' Since you have explained that he is not in law enforcement, then my comment is not directed at him.

When you have a discussion, generalizations and gross characterizations are not helpful. I only objected to the generalizations that were made by the poster that I originally responded to. If I wanted to have a discussion about racist white people, it would be inappropriate to say or imply that all whites are racist.

You are absolutely correct about directing anger at the bad group. I am angry at them. However, I don't see them as black or white...I see them as having bad behavior. I see people of all races exhibiting bad behavior and I don't exempt anyone from responsibility for their personal behavior.

SquashNut · #65 07/02/11, 05:41 PM

by figuring out their race and where they live, it's the first step into figuring out how we can stop the problem. Like it or not there are certain groups of people who have and do cause problems. Not recognizing the race of these people is basically turning your backs on them.
The reasons people get so defensive when you talk about race is some of them have never been taught the value of being an individual. So they just asume we think they are all alike, all bad or all good.

watcher · #66 07/02/11, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SquashNut

by figuring out their race and where they live, it's the first step into figuring out how we can stop the problem. Like it or not there are certain groups of people who have and do cause problems. Not recognizing the race of these people is basically turning your backs on them.
The reasons people get so defensive when you talk about race is some of them have never been taught the value of being an individual. So they just asume we think they are all alike, all bad or all good.

As long as there's very little chance of being caught and very little punishment if they are its only going to get worse.

earthkitty · #67 07/02/11, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

However, I don't see them as black or white...I see them as having bad behavior. I see people of all races exhibiting bad behavior.

That is impossible.

In the first place, human facial recognition will always note whether a person is short, tall, fat, thin, bald, hairy, black, white, etc. There will never be a "colorblind" world. People are Chinese or black or blond or skinny or pretty or old, and on and on, it is just the way it is.

In the second place, let's take the example given earlier of "driving while black". Do you think white meth heads are responsible for that?

naturelover · #68 07/03/11, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by earthkitty

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

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However, I don't see them as black or white...I see them as having bad behavior. I see people of all races exhibiting bad behavior.

That is impossible.

In the first place, human facial recognition will always note whether a person is short, tall, fat, thin, bald, hairy, black, white, etc. There will never be a "colorblind" world. People are Chinese or black or blond or skinny or pretty or old, and on and on, it is just the way it is.

Sure it is possible. Facial recognition and recognition of physical characteristics has absolutely nothing to do with recognition of bad behaviour. Unless of course the viewer is already a racist and bigot to start with and is deliberately, with forethought, looking for physical characteristics to connect with behavioural characteristics.

When I see a group of women doing their moves together in the Tai Chi park every day and some of them are old, some are young, some are brown skinned, some are white, some are black, some are yellow, some are skinny and some are fat - I don't pay attention to those characteristics - what I see is the behaviour, which is a group of women doing their Tai Chi moves in the park. Their physical appearance is not relevant to anything else. It's what they're doing is what counts, not what they look like.

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TheMartianChick · #69 07/03/11, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by earthkitty

That is impossible.

In the first place, human facial recognition will always note whether a person is short, tall, fat, thin, bald, hairy, black, white, etc. There will never be a "colorblind" world. People are Chinese or black or blond or skinny or pretty or old, and on and on, it is just the way it is.

In the second place, let's take the example given earlier of "driving while black". Do you think white meth heads are responsible for that?

Driving while black is not illegal. It is not an example of bad behavior.Using crystal meth is illegal and is an example of bad behavior. I wouldn't assume that a black person in a vehicle is up to something criminal. I would likely assume that a person who is high on crystal meth has done something illegal in order to get into that condition, since posession/inebriation is a crime.

earthkitty · #70 07/03/11, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Driving while black is not illegal. It is not an example of bad behavior.Using crystal meth is illegal and is an example of bad behavior. I wouldn't assume that a black person in a vehicle is up to something criminal. I would likely assume that a person who is high on crystal meth has done something illegal in order to get into that condition, since posession/inebriation is a crime.

That is not what I said.

You are impossible to have a conversation with.

Nevermind.

just_sawing · #71 07/03/11, 04:54 PM

One thing I have noticed is where there are liberal laditude for the protection of your personal property there don't seem to be a problem

YuccaFlatsRanch · #72 07/05/11, 08:22 PM

Here is another example:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/124983979.html