Flash Mobs - The Entitlement Mentality At Its Worst

gideonprime · #41 07/01/11, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

From the news reports.

Where are you getting your info from?

The Media. Also haven't you guys seen the adds for Mobbed? A reality TV show about creating a flash mob to surprise others for wedding proposals etc. with a huge musical routine etc.

Flash rioting is a new phenomenon that the Media has mislabled flash mobs.

Or so it would seem.

gideonprime · #42 07/01/11, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

What you are seeing portrayed in the media is the minority of the minority! My city is correctly classified as a mid-sized, rust-belt city. We've seen an increase in crime and have been forced to prosecute gangs using the RICO racketeering laws.

However, I have traveled extensively in the course of my profession and in the course of the volunteer work that I do. I was raised in an extremely small village. I have family members in Atlanta, Tampa, Philadelphia, New York City, Miami and Charlotte. My volunteer work has familiarized me with the seedier sides of large urban centers. As much as my sense of vanity would like to believe that I am an exceptional individual, I know that I am not. I know too many people who look like me... people who work hard everyday to sustain their families.

So many people here at HT complain that the media reports are biased...What makes you think that their reports of violent flash mobs are not biased? Why would you believe that the media's portrayal of blacks is wholly accurate? Why do you find it so hard to believe that I am in the majority?

Thank you!

You rock!

Bearfootfarm · #43 07/01/11, 01:48 PM

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Flash rioting is a new phenomenon that the Media has mislabled flash mobs.

Still just word games trying to deny reality

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What you are seeing portrayed in the media is the minority of the minority!

And still the majority of the problem

gideonprime · #44 07/01/11, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

Still just word games trying to deny reality

And still the majority of the problem

BFF no word games. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Barefootfarm and bearfootfarm are not the same are they?

Flash mobs and flash riots are not the same thing. You want to comment on criminal activity using "flash mob" tactics that's fine but it isn't a flash mob. Any more than bare and bear are the same.

JuliaAnn · #45 07/01/11, 03:14 PM

You're mistaken about American history being boring! More people should apply themselves and actually learn about what went on and why (beyond the simplified elementary school version) so that they can speak intelligently on various issues. I think sometimes people don't want to put forth the effort to research and read about it, even though they don't have to get out of their chair and can have the entire Revolution available to them with a few clicks of the mouse...

Bearfootfarm · #46 07/01/11, 05:18 PM

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BFF no word games. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Barefootfarm and bearfootfarm are not the same are they?

Flash mobs and flash riots are not the same thing.

You're correct, since you made up the term "flash riots"

"Flash mob" is a crowd united or called into action by a message sent on the internet or cell phones.

What they do does not change what they are

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You want to comment on criminal activity using "flash mob" tactics that's fine but it isn't a flash mob.

LOL
Yes, it IS a "flash mob" if that is how they organized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob

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.[3] Webster's New Millennium Dictionary of English defines flash mob as "a group of people who organize on the Internet and then quickly assemble in a public place, do something bizarre, and disperse

Google "flash riot" and the first hit is a definition for "flash mob"

mnn2501 · #47 07/01/11, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by naturelover

I don't know if that is relevant to the times or not. Flash Mobs started about 5 years ago before Obama came on the scene, and it was mostly rich white kids then and it wasn't only happening in the United States. It was happening in Europe and Canada too.

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I knew it was Bush's fault

Farmerwilly2 · #48 07/01/11, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Del Gue

Wait, wasn't the Boston tea party a flash mob?

nah, I think you're confusing a mob with a flash mob.

I think I like the Philipine response, 12ga and bird shot. Seems like sometime in the early 60's, during the kum by ya movement Americans started turning into limp wristed, noodle spined, pussies.

There is a place, and I don't mean the Twighlight Zone, that fills the void between Bull Connor bigots and PC spoutin sissies. It's a place filled with common sense and compassion, but not suckers or excuses. It's a place where morals and decentcy live, but not fanatics or Inquisitors. I think most of you'd like it. The neighbors will lend a hand, even to strangers, but they'll mind their own business and leave you to mind yours. I'll leave the light on for ya.

farmerpat · #49 07/01/11, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gideonprime

Not sure how flash rioting is entitlement mentality, however. You never really connected that set of dots as far as I can tell.

I'll make it simple. This is the way I define it:

Entitlement mentality --
You've got it.
I want it.
I don't wanna pay for it.
I feel I'm entitled to it whether I've earned it or paid for it or worked for it or not.
It will be mine whether you like it or not.

Flash Rioting --
You've got it.
I want it.
I don't wanna pay for it.
I feel I'm entitled to it whether I've earned it or paid for it or worked for it or not.
It will be mine whether you like it or not.

earthkitty · #50 07/01/11, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Why would you believe that the media's portrayal of blacks is wholly accurate? Why do you find it so hard to believe that I am in the majority?

Because my nephew has to deal with it on a weekly basis. And they are ALL black. Every one of them.

We are not talking about family folks, we are talking about young troublemakers who get a kick out of harming others, physically or financially. It is real, it is happening, and for you to deny that inner city black youth don't have a problem, well then you are part of the problem.

farmerpat · #51 07/01/11, 06:47 PM

Race aside, and not casting dispersions on any particular race, I can say honestly say that every single news media clip of these flash robbers that I have seen have all been African-American.

earthkitty · #52 07/01/11, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Del Gue

First off, I was kidding. I forgot the silly emote.

Oh, thank goodness. So Sorry.

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And since you brought it up, you are mistaken about the tea party motives.

Not boring at all, I love history. But while all of your information is correct, in general is was a protest against the king. Yes, it was India's tea, but it was the king who screwed the colonists over.

In addition, the Tea Act was passed by the British Parliament and it had a direct effect on the colonists, which it was meant to do. As they were at the time under British rule, it was taxation without representation, because not only was the governement representing them NOT looking out for them they went out of their way to make things worse.

So the colonists blew a gasket and now we have the Fourth of July. How's that for a synopsis???

TheMartianChick · #53 07/01/11, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by earthkitty

Because my nephew has to deal with it on a weekly basis. And they are ALL black. Every one of them.

We are not talking about family folks, we are talking about young troublemakers who get a kick out of harming others, physically or financially. It is real, it is happening, and for you to deny that inner city black youth don't have a problem, well then you are part of the problem.

Did I state that there are no problems in the inner-city? There are problems everywhere in the world. You may recall that I mentioned that my city had a gang issue and was forced to use the Rico laws in order to combat the problem. One of the programs that my employer operates is one that helps high school dropouts obtain a GED and learn vocational skills.

We have raised four children to adulthood and three of the four have college degrees and they are all productive, tax-paying citizens. We instilled in them the importance of public service and charity.My husband and I have volunteered on neighborhood boards and I worked at the lower end of the payscale for my field because I believe in the work that my nonprofit organization does and know that it makes a difference in my city. I have served my community in a number of ways...Clearly, I am not part of the problem!

My objection is with the characterization that all black people have no morals or family values. I don't know your nephew, who he deals with or how often. It is just plain wrong to smear an entire group of people based upon the actions of a few. If your nephew is in law enforcement and happens to share the view that all blacks are immoral and have no family values, then he really should be removed from the force, because he is only capable of protecting and serving a percentage of the general population.

For every black person who commits foodstamp fraud, ends up in jail or on drugs there are plenty of others who have never done any of those things. You don't see them because they are at work when the tv crews come around to videotape the latest crime scene. You don't see them on street corners at 3am because they are sleeping and have to report to work at 7am. They attend or volunteer at their children's after-school activities. They supervise homework and assign chores to their children. You won't see them driving Escalades or BMW's. There won't be spinning rims or tinted car windows.

If you believe what you see portrayed in the media, then a person like me doesn't really exist, except on the Cosby Show.

Bearfootfarm · #54 07/01/11, 11:48 PM

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My objection is with the characterization that all black people have no morals or family values

I didn't see anyone saying that, but merely that the perpetrators of the Philly and Chigago incidents were mostly African American.

Its simply a reality, and has nothing to do with anyone else

earthkitty · #55 07/02/11, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

My objection is with the characterization that all black people have no morals or family values. I don't know your nephew, who he deals with or how often. It is just plain wrong to smear an entire group of people based upon the actions of a few.

I never said that. My great grandmother was black, so I'm pretty happy that black people got to this country.

I didn't smear an entire race. But if you think that the black community doesn't need to get a handle on out of wedlock births, fatherless children, generational welfare and out of control behavior in their own communities, you are wrong.

I had a neighbor before I moved here, big ol' black guy from the country. When he moved to the city, the realtor assumed since he was black that he wanted to only look at houses in the black part of town. He told her to get his family out of that area before they got shot.

You know what else he told me? That because he didn't live in that part of town, family and friends would no longer come to visit, because they said he was trying to be white. He was a reverend, and a very good man. And he had nothing good to say about how the black youth was coming up in this country.

There is a problem, Bill Cosby talks about it all the time, even Obama talked about it on the campaign trail, and Jesse Jackson was furious that he did so.

I've seen your posts and I know that you try to help people in your community. That's good. But when I say something about the problems in black culture, you accuse me of denigrating an entire race, and I assume you do so because I am white.

Well, I'm black enough for the KKK to want to lynch me, so I figure I can speak about these things in a rational manner without being called a racist.

And by the way, I want Herman Cain to be the next President, so you can't accuse me of hating Obama just because he's black.

Laura Zone 10 · #56 07/02/11, 07:09 AM

Sterotypes suck.

Unfortunately, when the media sets their mind to 'portraying' a particular group of people in a certain way......AND........that particular group of people ACT the way they are portrayed? What-da-ya-gonna-do?

Example.
Home schoolers / Home educators.
Not too long ago (8-10 years) there were A LOT of 'portrayals' of home schoolers in the media. Movies, sitcoms, news reports, etc.
MOST of them were portrayed as 'odd, weird, socially retarted, etc'
MOST of them were 'religious zealots'.
MOST of them were shown doing very eclectic styles of home education.

So the idea here is that homeschoolers are weird religious freaks that are dumb as a stump.

This year, at the annual home school book sale, my older two sat with me most of the day (7 hours). When we got home......my oldest said "Ok mom, I do NOT want to sound mean, but, did those people seem.......odd? Like they didn't know how to act in public?"
I said "some of the kids clearly were special needs kids, and God bless their folks for teaching them at home..........but.........the majority of the kids there were NOT special needs.......and yes......they seemed, odd".

What's the first question a home schooler hears:
"What about socialization?"
Why is that?
Because tv portrays/reports on home educated kids that are "not being educated, but totally isolated" and are socially retarted.

It's hard to raise above a sterotype, when (A) that's what the media shoves down your throat and (B) because so many ACT LIKE the stereotype they are being thrown into.

To say all home schoolers are weird, socially retarted, uneducated, religious zealots.....would be a lie in my case.
But I get stuck with that perception, until my actions, prove otherwise.

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Tricky Grama · #57 07/02/11, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by earthkitty

Oh, thank goodness. So Sorry.

Not boring at all, I love history. But while all of your information is correct, in general is was a protest against the king. Yes, it was India's tea, but it was the king who screwed the colonists over.

In addition, the Tea Act was passed by the British Parliament and it had a direct effect on the colonists, which it was meant to do. As they were at the time under British rule, it was taxation without representation, because not only was the governement representing them NOT looking out for them they went out of their way to make things worse.

So the colonists blew a gasket and now we have the Fourth of July. How's that for a synopsis???

Yup. And I suppose there's those who think the revolution was in protest of the King?

Tricky Grama · #58 07/02/11, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Del Gue

I say we have "tea party day" and toss wal mart's Chinese containers off the cargo ships.

And toss some CEOs who outsource all our jobs off a few buildings.

And sell cotton candy and ice cream.

Fun for the whole family.

Are you inferring the original "Tea Party" was wrong?

Tricky Grama · #59 07/02/11, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Did I state that there are no problems in the inner-city? There are problems everywhere in the world. You may recall that I mentioned that my city had a gang issue and was forced to use the Rico laws in order to combat the problem. One of the programs that my employer operates is one that helps high school dropouts obtain a GED and learn vocational skills.

We have raised four children to adulthood and three of the four have college degrees and they are all productive, tax-paying citizens. We instilled in them the importance of public service and charity.My husband and I have volunteered on neighborhood boards and I worked at the lower end of the payscale for my field because I believe in the work that my nonprofit organization does and know that it makes a difference in my city. I have served my community in a number of ways...Clearly, I am not part of the problem!

My objection is with the characterization that all black people have no morals or family values. I don't know your nephew, who he deals with or how often. It is just plain wrong to smear an entire group of people based upon the actions of a few. If your nephew is in law enforcement and happens to share the view that all blacks are immoral and have no family values, then he really should be removed from the force, because he is only capable of protecting and serving a percentage of the general population.

For every black person who commits foodstamp fraud, ends up in jail or on drugs there are plenty of others who have never done any of those things. You don't see them because they are at work when the tv crews come around to videotape the latest crime scene. You don't see them on street corners at 3am because they are sleeping and have to report to work at 7am. They attend or volunteer at their children's after-school activities. They supervise homework and assign chores to their children. You won't see them driving Escalades or BMW's. There won't be spinning rims or tinted car windows.

If you believe what you see portrayed in the media, then a person like me doesn't really exist, except on the Cosby Show.

Flash Mobs - The Entitlement Mentality At Its Worst - General Chat

plowjockey · #60 07/02/11, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

So many people here at HT complain that the media reports are biased...What makes you think that their reports of violent flash mobs are not biased? Why would you believe that the media's portrayal of blacks is wholly accurate? Why do you find it so hard to believe that I am in the majority?

IMO, it's just the opposite and the media tends to go a bit easy, when reporting black crime, for fear of being tagged "racist".

In the case of "flash mob crimes", I don't think that most people truely believe that "all blacks", are committing them. It just appears from the video footage, that a large majority of these problems, are being comitted by black youths.