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Old 06/23/11, 10:19 PM
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What makes you think the family in question has been charged with murder? They have not been charged with anything. They are being held in custody while an investigation ensues.

If a guard in front of Buckingham Palace killed somebody in the course of his duties he would be suspended from duty during the investigation, he would not be charged with murder unless it could be shown he killed somebody without provocation.
Don't be offended, the "justice chasm" between rich and poor here, is probably the equivalent of royal vs commoner there. It's a pretty universal human failing.
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There are countless examples in history of civilized nations with principles and an appreciation of privileges getting the snot kicked out of them by nations with far less adherence to either.

A sword cares not a whit for civilization.
This is true - but you are talking about nations with principles being conquered by other nations without principles, you are not talking about the internal affairs of a single nation. This topic is about the UK and its internal affairs, not about whether or not the UK is at risk of being conquered by some other nation without principles.
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Old 06/23/11, 10:28 PM
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The UK is a civilized nation of socially advanced citizens and government who possess principles that they value above the barbaric privileges of some less civilized nations.
And yet they cannot defend their own lives in their own homes without the risk of being charged with murder.

I prefer to have my "barbaric privileges", and I prefer to call them RIGHTS
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And yet they cannot defend their own lives in their own homes without the risk of being charged with murder.

I prefer to have my "barbaric privileges", and I prefer to call them RIGHTS
Do you consider your privileges and rights to be barbaric?

If you kill somebody in your home while defending it will there not be an investigation? Will there not have to be evidence shown that you were actually defending your home and not using defence as a ruse to hide behind while committing a willful murder? Can anybody just kill somebody else in their home and then say it was defense and that will be acceptable to the law without an investigation?

I don't think so.
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Old 06/23/11, 10:57 PM
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Tiempo - I hope things work out to drop all charges towards the people defending their home. How horrible for them and the neighborhood.
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- I hope things work out to drop all charges towards the people defending their home.
Nobody has been charged with anything. Some people are assuming there have been charges.
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Old 06/24/11, 03:11 AM
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The UK has become an example of how cowed a people can become and how far out of control an omnipotent government can get.
Could you please elaborate on this omnipotent government of which you speak? The word omnipotent means having unlimited, universal, god-like power and that is certainly not the case with the UK government. The UK government operates under the Westminster system and the Westminster system is a parliamentary democracy which is the most widely used system of government in the world. Here is a list of all the countries that govern through a parliamentary system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliam..._of_government

Perhaps you thought the UK has some different kind of governmental system? If so, what kind of system did you think it was?

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Old 06/24/11, 04:56 AM
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Do you consider your privileges and rights to be barbaric?

If you kill somebody in your home while defending it will there not be an investigation? Will there not have to be evidence shown that you were actually defending your home and not using defence as a ruse to hide behind while committing a willful murder? Can anybody just kill somebody else in their home and then say it was defense and that will be acceptable to the law without an investigation?

"Barbaric" was your word, so I assumed you were referring to the US.

Of course there would be an "investigation" but that doesn't mean there would be an arrest, as in the OP.

There is no logical reason to arrest someone with no criminal history, who is in their own home defending themselves against an imminent threat

I don't even have to wait until they enter my home, under NC laws.
All they have to do is try to enter
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Unconfirmed, but it seems Neil and his girlfriend have been released but Peter is still in custody.

Also, the name of the dead man has been released and he was out on bail from a burglary earlier this month.
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I personally shot and wounded an armed robber at a business that I did not even own but was manager of. This after they had left out the front door and had already entered their car as I came out the front door. I was not even arrested. This happened in broad daylight.

They did take my pistol, which I got back after the trial. I had bought a new one and was practicing with it within 2 hours of leaving the store. You should not have to put up with it. That was my motivation for going after them. It was the second time with the same guys in 4 days. I was tired of being scared.

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Old 06/24/11, 08:16 AM
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Tiempo - I hope things work out to drop all charges towards the people defending their home. How horrible for them and the neighborhood.
Ditto this, Tiempo, & prayers & good thoughts.

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Nobody has been charged with anything. Some people are assuming there have been charges.
Are they free to go back to their home???
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Nobody has been charged with anything. Some people are assuming there have been charges.
Why were they even locked up since they lived there? Around here they would do an investigation based on evidence and statements and let you stay home until they figured out what happened.
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Nobody has been charged with anything. Some people are assuming there have been charges.
They were ARRESTED for something. Suspicion of murder, I guess. WAY more than what should have happened. I can't imagine this happening in the U.S.. And in Texas, no way. We have a right to protect our home and loved ones.

The evidence and circumstances should have been very clear to the police. Arresting them was ridiculous IMHO.
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Neil and his girlfriend have indeed been released, but the police have received a 36 hour extension to to keep Peter detained for further questioning.

One man hes been arrested on suspicion of being one of the other burglars.

ETA Peter is out on bail.
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"Barbaric" was your word, so I assumed you were referring to the US.
I haven't mentioned the United States in this topic. I don't know why you would assume that I was referring to the United States or that I would think the United States is uncivilized, socially backward, lacking in principles and barbaric. If that's how you perceive your own country well that's your perogative and your problem but I will thank you kindly to not make assumptions about me based on your own attitude towards your own country. The United States is one of the most socially advanced countries in the world and its citizens have more human rights and more principles than many other countries and if you don't recognize that then you're not as well educated and appreciative of what you've got as I had assumed you were.
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Old 06/25/11, 04:34 AM
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I haven't mentioned the United States in this topic
You only named one country, and they weren't the ones you called "barbaric".
I can't read minds

You're right though....I should have asked
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Old 06/25/11, 07:53 AM
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LOL, you two are funny. BFF --> <-- Paumon
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Paumon thanks for once again reminding me why I didn't move to Canada.

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