Feds state all kids, legal or not, entitled to school

They need to guarantee an democratic voting base.

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Absolutely!!

The price you pay for things produced with illegal labor is not reflected at the check out stand.

People who speak the media mantra really have evidently had little real contact with illegals. They must think they still come over wearing white outfits and tire shoes.

The last one I talked with who had just arrived was wearing tasseled loafers, designer jeans, expensive haircut and a manicure, a degree and a high paying computer job.

No, they do not have to pay taxes, they do not have to work under the table, although many do. They work contract labor. They flash as SS card, the employer dully notes it. At the end of the year the employer sends a 1099 stating how much the employee earned and it is up to the employee to rush up there and pay those income and self-employment taxes - and we so sure they do, aren't we???? And we know the government is out there making real effort to match up those unpaid taxes with the 1099's - aren't we?

The illegals are gaining here. They are the only ones starting small businesses around here. When you can work, pay little or no taxes, get freebies - you can save and start a business. For a citizen, it's kinda hard to pay all those taxes, fees, care for your family and start a business.

No, they are doing fine - and in the part of the state where our land is, the children are taking advantage of the education. Many of them are doing fine and by virtue of their ethnicity, they are getting preference for scholarships to college, etc.

The employer is a big problem - I'll grant you that.

You do realize someone was doing the jobs before the illegals came?

Our chickens were being plucked, cows milked, lawns mowed, houses built, houses reroofed, sheetrocked, painted. We had bank tellers, clerks in insurance offices, checkers and managers of grocery stores, hardware stores, etc.

Yep, it was all being done, and I didn't have any problem making a living and buying things, but then my insurance, healthcare, property taxes, etc., were not nearly as high.

Again, as I said, the price you pay for whatever is produced with illegal labor is not reflected at the checkout stand. It is reflected in

higher property taxes to educate them,

higher auto insurance (because they don't always have insurance),

higher medical costs (because there's is free and what hospitals and doctors do not get reimbursed for - they pass on to us),

diminished education resources for our own children,

the absolute changing of entire communities.

It is also reflected in the human misery brought about by some, certainly not all but plenty, that refuse to respect American citizens or their rights. I have talked with people - living in constant fear, behind chain link fences. They are unable to have any flowers, shrubs, furniture, their kids can't even ride their bikes with an adult to protect them. This isn't inner city either. This is rural Texas.

I'm not sure how you put a price on that.

Respectfully, do you really think waitpeople make their living off their salary? Do you think that man/woman keeping your coffee cup full is doing that for $2.15 an hour? They make their money from tips and if they are good at what they do - they make very good money.

I am always amazed when someone says something like that.

Do you remember we just came off an 8 year span of a Republican President. A Republican President from Texas, no less. A Republican President, who had been a Republican governor of Texas?

What did he do about illegal immigration?

One of his first stated goals was amnesty for illegals.

He made speeches saying they were 'just hardworking people looking for a better job' and 'they were just doing the work no one else will do'.

He pushed for amnesty.

He refused to close the border and do something about the millions of people here illegally. People we don't know from where, who they are, where they are, why they are here, what they are doing. Even though we were attacked by terrorists, he refused, even then to do anything.

Then we have had a Republican governor since Pres. Bush let for the WH and nothing - less than nothing has been done in Texas.

Again, I don't know where the idea the Democrats are responsible for this and are pushing it. Certainly they are, - but the Republicans have had ample time, power, and with 9/11 - a very good reason - to do something - and they haven't.

No wonder we can't get anything done in this country.

You bet that is why Obama just told the AZ. sheriff to quit arresting so many as they cross the boarder. They want to get all the sympathy votes of the Hispanics.
Ariz. Sheriff: Border Patrol Told Not to Make Arrests
http://www.newser.com/story/115413/a...e-arrests.html

Do you really believe this is just a Democratic thing? Surely, you don't.

That action had little to do with voters - and a lot to do with his just doing what he is told to do.

How does one explain Pres. Bush's stance and actions on illegal immigration? This goes way beyond votes. We put it in simplistic terms of votes or dem votes, etc., at our peril.

It is much more serious than that. It is all about filling this country with people who have no allegiance to it.
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Illegal's can't pay taxes if they don't have a social security # or a work visa, if you don't believe me call the IRS and ask them. To work in this country, at least any job I have ever held, I was required to have both a SS card and picture ID or no job. Of course it is pretty obvious I was born here so maybe that is why I had to prove my identity.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXa10LAhve8

See that is where The Fairtax is good. They Will Pay into the tax system.

That's FREE Breakfast
That's FREE Lunch
That's FREE Books
That's FREE before and after day care at school.
That's FREE transportation

Free? Yeah...ok, maybe for them, but it's NOT free. It's MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS they are STEALING from me.

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The movie Rudy

Not going to work that way.

They already get tons of freebies - now someone wants to send them a check every year???? The government would probably up their freebie allotment should they actually have to pay those taxes.

These people are masters at scamming our system. The possibilities are endless - getting multiple 'prebates' on their multiple (which they have) ID's.

That is really an argument put forth by the Fair Tax people that should not be used. Anyone who is aware of the illegal problem, knows it won't work out that way.

It's much like the argument for amnesty. "Make them citizens and they will begin paying taxes." We all know they would get back much more in Unearned Tax Credit than they pay in taxes.

The illegals are doing fine in the area where we have a place.

I'm thinking if Detroit has all that illiteracy, it probably is not due to illegals - at least not children of illegals. Now when I'm talking illegals here, I"m talking Mexican, Central and South Americans primarily.

While I realize there are many illegals from all over the world, I don't know the situation concerning other than those from South of our border. Believe me, they are doing quite well.

Did you happen to attend public schools when you were a kid? Have you sought out and compensated the taxpayers who were robbed to educate you?

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There is no doubt many aspects of our society are 'socialist'.

If, however, we are talking illegals - that's a horse of a different color. These are people who broke the law to come here, they are serial lawbreakers on a daily basis. If the amounts they steal from the taxpayers would be totaled, they would be felons, it would be grand larceny.

Need we mention, they seriously run afoul of our Homeland Security laws as well, and tax laws.

So when we are talking about their children receiving a free education, it's something quite different. I do realize there are some who feel the children are citizens - I don't happen to be one of them.

yup. with the pathetic teachers, cant say they are really getting something for nothing..lolo

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its different when they are the recipient.

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Just a note to those that think illegals pay income taxes. To be employed at alot of places for hourly work you need a SS card and a photo ID. Certain parts of most larger towns/cities a fake SS card and photo ID can be purchased for (in my area) $200-$500. All the illegal then has to do is claim the maximum number of exemptions on their withholding, and no taxes or very little comes out. The employer has to do extensive background checks to discover that the employee has fake ID and SS. It is expensive, so most don't, they have after all done what the gov requires by having the documents on file, they are not required to check the validity of the docs. I would guess by their actions (and have been told), most of the hispanics that work in the same building as I do are employed with false docs.

Around here they work as contract labor. They just flash the SS card, the employer duly notes it. The checks are written for the full amount and at the end of the year the employer sends a 1099 and it's up to the employee to file and pay the required taxes.

It would be a no-brainer for the government to check out the 1099's that never get corresponding returns filed. That would take a government that had a desire to do it.

Yup. That and his "I don't care about Bin Laden" turned me from being a republican anymore. That was it for me.

Yes ma'am, I was public educated....
I ate breakfast at home.
If I didn't bring a lunch box, my parents paid for my lunch.
My parents paid for my books, supplies, and all my field trips.

My grammar and spelling should be a clear indication, that the system has been broken for a long, long time!

My kids are homeschooled, and I pay the highest taxes in the state. It is, what it is. The schools in my county have a tremendously high graduation rate. It is equally high in the amount of kids that go onto college. It is one of the most affluent counties in the state.....
(Pretty amazing they let us in! HA HA)
So my tax dollars, we're being well spent.
Kids were learning something, and going off to college, and being productive citizens.

About 10 years ago, the amount of children in the 'free lunch / free breakfast / free books program' was less than 10% of all kids enrolled in the county.
In the last 10 years, the illegals have 'settled' in the apartments, and rental homes. Their kids cannot speak English, so we had to hire ESL teachers. The number of 'free breakfast, lunch and books' has quadrupled. Taxes have gone up up up up to 'compensate for the *growth* in our community'. Translates to "you folks who work pay for these folks who are hear illegally".

That's my gripe.
Pay for your own meals.
Pay for your books.
Pay for your own supplies.
Learn the language of the country you have invaded, at the VERY least.

Side note: I have learned more in the 8 years of home schooling my kids, than i did the 11 years I was in public schools. And I learned a lot of what I was taught when I was a kid......was a flat out lie.

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We have a relatively high pop. of illegials here (yes in indiana) they passed this thing where they ship the kids from "illegal" town to a neighboring country school. The teachers there say they spend so much time on illegals because they dont speak english, no special class they get thrown in with the english speaking students. so tell me how is that fair to the kids whose parents came here legally, now thier kids are getting less attention in class and therefore a worse education

This happened over 20 years ago, but we have had illegals in our school district for about 10 years more than that.

A little girl, 9, was brought in by her parents. She had never been to school, of any kind, and didn't speak much more than 'yes and no' in English. Because of her age, they put here in the 3rd grade. I was a volunteer aid.

The teacher tried to get them to put her in the kindergarten class to learn English and at least some basics, but they wouldn't. Both the teacher and I got involved trying to do something.

She was a precious child, so sweet, but just so sad. The teacher finally bought a computer program for her to use with earphones. This tied up the computer all day and no other kids got to use it - only one in the classroom.

Finally, after about 2 months of our both calling, begging, complaining, they decided they would put her in Special Education. Of course the teacher said no to that.

So - the solution. They hired her a tutor. A one on one tutor for 4 hours a day for the rest of the year. Can you imagine?

Now she was a sweet child, and she is now grown and has children of her own and I always get a big hug when I see her. I just thought how much a lot of American children would have benefited from some special help like that.