Wonder How Much Tysons Paid?

haypoint · #21 02/12/11, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by big rockpile

Hey easy enough to get the scoop

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4234729AA4yXMJ

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/a..._E1_spanc33120

I know the last Plant we worked durring day there was 1 USDA for the whole Plant.As far as Steroids I was on final Inspection had meat coming through with the most ucky orange Fat,I was concerned and he said it was ok just had too much Steroids.Either way didn't look good to me.

As far Bird Flu like I say the same time Tysons was in the process setting up the Plant there Bird Flu hit and took out the bulk of their Poultry.Just very strange considering.

Also Russia came into our Plant seeing about setting up Contracts but turned us down because they considerd the Plant too dirty.

As far as Illegals if ICE would hit the Plants and put the Illegals out things would get back to normal with Local Citizens back making a Living and helping the economy,instead of trashing the area.

Just curious how many years have you worked in Poultry Processing? because me and my wife worked 16 years in 3 different Plants.

big rockpile

I can't believe that you'd use a yahoo blog as your source for facts.
The second web site is a three year old news clip that Tyson is opening a plant in China. OK, I don't think that fact was being debated.

Tyson ships jet loads of chicken to China. China ships junk to WalMart in the returning flights. The US tax payer paid to extend the airport runway near a giant Tyson plant and WalMart headquarters for those big jets.

A couple years ago, the Mayor of Detroit had dozens of people on the payroll that had never shown up. That type of corruption is common. More so in Mexico.

I guess we can save all that money for those expensive tests for Olympic athletes, since we seem to be able to identify steroid use by the yucky orange fat deposits. Oh yea.

Trixie · #22 02/12/11, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

DS's boyfriend is one of the very few "Gringos" that work at a nearby huge hog processing plant.

On new employee orientation day, they take bets on how long each particular "white guy" will last, before he quits. BF is usually the winner, getting them almost to the day. Nearly all are gone within the first week.

On the plus side, some Mexican workers will "share" social security numbers (with workers at other companies), many of which are stolen or forged. The employer takes out SS taxes, sending them to the Government coffers. The employee will never legally see a dime of this money. Many don't bother to file a tax return (for obvious reason) so the money deducted from their paychecks, stays with Uncle Sam.

FWIW, If I was a Mexican, I would be doing the exact same thing - you would too.

I can't speak for all plants, but in some they do not withhold SS. These people work on a contractual basis. They get their entire check and are sent a 1099 at the end of the year. The obligation to file and pay taxes, rests with the employee. Also many plant workers work for manpower and temp type agencies - they are not employees of the company.

The government would like everyone to believe they pay in all these taxes and get absolutely nothing for it - but it isn't the case with all of them.

. The time is way past when the illegals came here because they or their families were hungry. The ones coming now are middle class - some are well educated and are taking the jobs that require those degrees, as well as work in the plants.

I would do most anything if my family was starving, that's a given. I would like to believe, however, I would not do as the illegals today. They are lying, cheating, stealing on so many levels. I can't imagine living my life with such deceit and knowing that I am taking from other families with children.

We all know they are 'just hard working people looking for a better life' and they are 'just taking the jobs no one else will do' because President Bush told us that. The fact is every thief, burglar, mugger, white collar thief, even people like Mr. Madoff are 'just hardworking people looking for a better life' and are willing to be dishonest to attain that.

They took jobs Americans were doing at the time. The jobs were being done. The chickens were getting plucked,the cows milked, the pigs and cows butchered before the illegals came. The hospitals, banks, grocery stores, insurance offices, construction jobs, etc., were being done as well and by Americans supporting families.

Theirs is not a benign 'transgression'. It is truly a travesty and it is harming this country and it's people in ways most do not even realize and won't for maybe another generation.

No, I'm pretty sure I couldn't live that way - at least I hope I couldn't.

Oh, big rockpile I wish you hadn't told about that awful orangey fat - it always makes me ill. You know I remember when Bo Pilgrim made a commercial stating 'I just won't sell a fat, yellar chicken'. Guess he changed his mind.

Actually Pilgrim's sold out to a Brazillian company who promptly moved the high paying executive type jobs elsewhere and left the communities to deal with the illegals.

So now, we have illegals to educate, medicate, and feed so they can siphon off money from our economy and the profits are going to a foreign company. Crazy me, but somehow I think the American people are not getting a really good deal here.

big rockpile · #23 02/13/11, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

I can't believe that you'd use a yahoo blog as your source for facts.
The second web site is a three year old news clip that Tyson is opening a plant in China. OK, I don't think that fact was being debated.

Tyson ships jet loads of chicken to China. China ships junk to WalMart in the returning flights. The US tax payer paid to extend the airport runway near a giant Tyson plant and WalMart headquarters for those big jets.

A couple years ago, the Mayor of Detroit had dozens of people on the payroll that had never shown up. That type of corruption is common. More so in Mexico.

I guess we can save all that money for those expensive tests for Olympic athletes, since we seem to be able to identify steroid use by the yucky orange fat deposits. Oh yea.

I just want to know how many years you worked in Poultry Processing or hey just meat processing that you are so knowledgeable?

big rockpile

haypoint · #24 02/13/11, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by big rockpile

I just want to know how many years you worked in Poultry Processing or hey just meat processing that you are so knowledgeable?

big rockpile

You have included my comments in this last posting. What part of what I said pertains to a working knowledge of a poultry prossing plant?

I know: none of it.

big rockpile · #25 02/13/11, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Chickens are not fed steroids.
Tyson exports chicken to China because our government subsidizes corn and soybeans, so we produce some of the cheapest chicken in the world.
I have no idea what Bird Flu has to do with any of this.
USDA Inspectors inspect all segments of the butchering process.
So what if ICE is missing all the illegals at the Tyson plants. They are also missing the illegal fruit and vegetable pickers. I'm more concerned about the thousands of gang members and prisoners that are here illegally and no one seems to care.

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Originally Posted by haypoint

You have included my comments in this last posting. What part of what I said pertains to a working knowledge of a poultry prossing plant?

I know: none of it.

So in others words you know squat about what you say.So why even comment?

big rockpile

haypoint · #26 02/14/11, 02:35 AM

You started this posting. You started it with a question on what Tyson paid ICE to overlook illegals in this country, then posted a link that was about Tyson paying a big fine for continuing the tradition in Mexico of paying the two veterinarians’ wives for work they weren’t doing at a Mexican processing plant.
Then half way into the thread, you make some wild claims about steroids and USDA meat inspectors standing in one place, all day, every day. For good luck you hint at a conspiracy between China, Tyson and Avian Influenza.
I refuted those claims and you respond with a couple web sites, one that is a blog devoid of any real facts and the other is an out of date news report.
I share your desire to get the illegals out of the country. Just I believe it should start with the armed drug dealing gangs and convicted prisoners.
I think if we can either get back to your claim that a paycheck to a Mexican Veterinarian’s wife is somehow connected with ICE’s reluctance to shut down the poultry meat industry, both are bribes, I guess, or we can close the book on this fairy tale.
If I can’t speak on Tyson’s bribes, ICE job performance or illegal aliens because I’ve not worked for Tyson, then I guess you’ll have to quiet down about politics, since you’ve never been elected to national office.

fetch33 · #27 02/14/11, 07:15 AM

I work in a major city. We regularly get illegals that have been injured, whether falling off of roofs or having digits cut off in chicken processing plants. Most give fake SS numbers and we are stuck caring for them until they can leave the hospital as rehabs and nursing homes won't take them. The hospital eats a lot of cost on these people. I would like for the US to arrange medical flights to Mexico City or country of origan and drop them off when medically stable. I live in the middle of the country and I can't even imagine what the cost are to hospitals on the borders and coasts. If the employers of these illegals can be found, they should be made financially responsible.
And speaking of Tyson... we haven't bought any Tyson products since the Clinton administration. Tyson has been in bed with the Clintons and liberals for a long time.

ninny · #28 02/14/11, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fetch33

I work in a major city. We regularly get illegals that have been injured, whether falling off of roofs or having digits cut off in chicken processing plants. Most give fake SS numbers and we are stuck caring for them until they can leave the hospital as rehabs and nursing homes won't take them. The hospital eats a lot of cost on these people. I would like for the US to arrange medical flights to Mexico City or country of origan and drop them off when medically stable. I live in the middle of the country and I can't even imagine what the cost are to hospitals on the borders and coasts. If the employers of these illegals can be found, they should be made financially responsible.
And speaking of Tyson... we haven't bought any Tyson products since the Clinton administration. Tyson has been in bed with the Clintons and liberals for a long time.

Check out this website for info about what the illegals are costing us...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/

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arabian knight · #29 02/14/11, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ninny

Check out this website for info about what the illegals are costing us... http://www.judicialwatch.org/ .

Why sure they cost us. But not ALL of them do this. Many dairy farms in my area have illegals, and they have WAY better Work ethics then some of our younger workers have in this country.
When they want some "vacation" time. THEY the illegal gets a replacement and Trains them to the duties, and at HIS EXPENSE too not being paid, but is there training his replacement. Then the new trainee comes in and works till he may want to have a vacation time off.
A factory making concrete blocks told me that if he hired 4 new workers 3 were of Mexican decent those 3 would still be working after 2 weeks where the American worker would quit within a week time.
It IS that kind of workers that help keep the prices down here in America because of less turnover, and the company can COUNT ON the Mexican worker being at work day after day after day. It is those people the GOOD workers that are being thrown in with a wide paint brush as being bad, when that is far far from the truth, as to what is really taking place in this country.

MELOC · #30 02/14/11, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Chickens are not fed steroids.
Tyson exports chicken to China because our government subsidizes corn and soybeans, so we produce some of the cheapest chicken in the world.
I have no idea what Bird Flu has to do with any of this.
USDA Inspectors inspect all segments of the butchering process.
So what if ICE is missing all the illegals at the Tyson plants. They are also missing the illegal fruit and vegetable pickers. I'm more concerned about the thousands of gang members and prisoners that are here illegally and no one seems to care.

huh...and to think that boy i work with, whose dad has about 5 houses full of purdue birds, tells me that steroids have made those chickens so aggressive that they flog you as soon as the door opens.

fetch33 · #31 02/14/11, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

Why sure they cost us. But not ALL of them do this. Many dairy farms in my area have illegals, and they have WAY better Work ethics then some of our younger workers have in this country.
When they want some "vacation" time. THEY the illegal gets a replacement and Trains them to the duties, and at HIS EXPENSE too not being paid, but is there training his replacement. Then the new trainee comes in and works till he may want to have a vacation time off.
A factory making concrete blocks told me that if he hired 4 new workers 3 were of Mexican decent those 3 would still be working after 2 weeks where the American worker would quit within a week time.
It IS that kind of workers that help keep the prices down here in America because of less turnover, and the company can COUNT ON the Mexican worker being at work day after day after day. It is those people the GOOD workers that are being thrown in with a wide paint brush as being bad, when that is far far from the truth, as to what is really taking place in this country.

I don't doubt they are good workers. But when they are injured or get sick and hospitalized, it is the American taxpayer and businesses that have to foot the bill.

Trixie · #32 02/14/11, 06:20 PM

People always talk about what great workers they are - as if that had anything to do with the problem. The fact they are a great bargain to the employers doesn't mean it doesn't cost the people of this country - and this country greatly. I've never understood how their so called 'work ethics' have anything to do with their being illegal and causing great harm to the families and this nation.

So do we open our borders to anyone who wants to work here and will work hard, for less wages? In order to live here for less wages, we must refrain from making them pay attention to our tax laws, our traffic laws, our insurance laws. We must furnish them with food, medical care, free food, free lunches/breakfasts/school supplies for their children, etc.

The media has presented a picture to people of this country that illegals are only working at jobs they consider beneath them. I? That is far from true. But one thing everyone needs to remember - there's a big wide world out there - filled with people who have degrees, skills, knowledge, abilities to do any job any American can do and they are willing to do it for less - especially if our government takes care of their necessities. It may be your job next - or more assuredly, unless this is stopped, it will be your children's or grandchildren's jobs.

Now as to Tyson's being 'liberal' - I can tell you the former owner/CEO of Pilgrim's was decidedly conservative, at least in beliefs. I'd be willing to bet he had Pres. Bush on his speed dial. I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't have kept him from donating to any politician that could help. Surely no one thinks these people contribute to only one side of the party. They grease the palms of anyone who can do help them. They didn't get where they are by not realizing that.