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Old 12/29/10, 09:24 AM
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I'm pretty sure our current President (and the last one) are from a different planet.....
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I actually picked this article at random out of a bunch of other hits, I do not know who the kid is. His message agrees with what others say regarding other planets and the sun warming, so I thought the message was more important than the messenger. Turns out he IS an interesting character, huh? But he isn't just making this stuff up by himself, others have agreed as well.
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I'm pretty sure our current President (and the last one) are from a different planet.....
That's a different type of alien, my friend.
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I actually picked this article at random out of a bunch of other hits, I do not know who the kid is. His message agrees with what others say regarding other planets and the sun warming, so I thought the message was more important than the messenger. Turns out he IS an interesting character, huh? But he isn't just making this stuff up by himself, others have agreed as well.
Solar irradiance plays a role in Earths temperature, for sure. And it too goes in cycles, the most apparent one is the 11year sunspot cycle. But greenhouse gasses are BY FAR more of an influence on the climate of the earth, within the suns relatively narrow, and constantly fluctuating range of temperature.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun...glob-warm.html

The article you posted seems to be referring more to SEASONAL variations in the outer planets temp. This also is very normal, as they get closer and further from the home star. The orbits of the planets are elliptical, not circles.
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Some people will grasp at any straw no matter how flimsy to avoid science.

It's like the guy who is told to quit smoking. He finds another doctor....same advice. Finds another doctor....same advice. He keeps looking until he finally finds one that says it will probably kill him. He takes this as doubt and continues smoking.

It's a waste of time trying to convince a denialist anything. Just leave them muttering to themselves and do what you can.
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Old 12/30/10, 11:29 AM
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For every "study" that reportedly proves that GW is manmade, I can find one that DISproves it. I don't find it any more "wrong" to believe that it isn't man-made, then that it is. In fact, didn't the GW scientists and lead cheerleader come out and admit the data was skewed? So technically, the belief IN GW being manmade is more unbelievable than to not.
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For every "study" that reportedly proves that GW is manmade, I can find one that DISproves it. I don't find it any more "wrong" to believe that it isn't man-made, then that it is. In fact, didn't the GW scientists and lead cheerleader come out and admit the data was skewed? So technically, the belief IN GW being manmade is more unbelievable than to not.
I'd like to see some of those studies! Hopefully you can cite some more credible sources than the one you used in the original post.
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Old 12/30/10, 01:20 PM
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I'd like to see some of those studies!
All you have to do is look for them if you REALLY want to see them

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Given that the late Ordovician suffered an ice age (with associated mass extinction) while atmospheric CO2 levels were more than 4,000ppm higher than those of today (yes, that's a full order of magnitude higher), levels at which current 'guesstimations' of climate sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 suggest every last skerrick of ice should have been melted off the planet, we admit significant scepticism over simplistic claims of small increment in atmospheric CO2 equating to toasted planet. Granted, continental configuration now is nothing like it was then, Sol's irradiance differs, as do orbits, obliquity, etc., etc. but there is no obvious correlation between atmospheric CO2 and planetary temperature over the last 600 million years, so why would such relatively tiny amounts suddenly become a critical factor now?
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/historical_CO2.htm
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Pacifist cant rule the world they are not strong enough....Now me I could rule the world and bet it would be with a iron fist toward all liberals and progressives.....
Ohhhh, I like that better!
Sorry, NL, I have been swayed!!!
Sorry that this is thread-drift again but I must comment on this because I find both comments so very disturbing, especially coming from a couple of avowed Christians.

Shanzone, people who feel they have to rule with iron fists are violent abusers who hold power through fear, they are not wise and benevolent rulers with strength of character. The first time you get your jaw shattered by an iron fist because you mispoke or didn't toady up you will no longer feel so swayed. Don't let yourself be so easily deceived, you need to recognize the difference between abuse of power and benevolence.

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greg, do a search HERE, there are countless posts about anti-GW links.

Also, like I stated, I found what I thought to be the least biased link in relation to the information. Google it for yourself and choose whatever other link you like to confirm the info presented.

Typical: avoid the facts to bash the source .

Any link I post will be questioned. If I do a Fox link, there will be no end to the complaints. If I do an MSNBC link, more complaints. So I find the info on the least biased source I can, ANYTIME I post a link. SOme of you heard of this guy, I hadn't. If you hadn't heard of him, you were so eager to discount the info that you researched him to tear him down, instead of researching the facts/info presented and debating them.

NL I can expect heard of the guy, since he is Canadian. But the rest of you have heard of him prior to this? I guess I need to get out more.
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Sorry that this is thread-drift again but I must comment on this because I find both comments so very disturbing, especially coming from a couple of avowed Christians.

Shanzone, people who feel they have to rule with iron fists are violent abusers who hold power through fear, they are not wise and benevolent rulers with strength of character. The first time you get your jaw shattered by an iron fist because you mispoke or didn't toady up you will no longer feel so swayed. Don't let yourself be so easily deceived, you need to recognize the difference between abuse of power and benevolence.

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I have never avowed anything to you.....if your so distrubed then dont play the game.....LOL your the one that brought it up do you think i would be anything but a ironfisted leader....I mean in your lowly opinion of me...are you serious...lighten up punkin
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Sorry that this is thread-drift again but I must comment on this because I find both comments so very disturbing, especially coming from a couple of avowed Christians.

Shanzone, people who feel they have to rule with iron fists are violent abusers who hold power through fear, they are not wise and benevolent rulers with strength of character. The first time you get your jaw shattered by an iron fist because you mispoke or didn't toady up you will no longer feel so swayed. Don't let yourself be so easily deceived, you need to recognize the difference between abuse of power and benevolence.
This little bit of nonsense from one whose promise is to "become a tyrant" although the campaign promise is a "compassionate" tyrant.
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Old 12/30/10, 06:11 PM
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Don't let yourself be so easily deceived, you need to recognize the difference between abuse of power and benevolence.
They aren't mutually exclusive.

Often the worst abusers APPEAR to be "benevolent" to get what they want

BO is very "benevolent" with OUR money
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Old 12/30/10, 06:16 PM
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Wow, guys, easy! I thought you were all just kidding around with the tyrant stuff, stop taking each other soooo seriously!
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I don't know why it matters even if man is causing global warming. Al Gore is supposedly more scared of global warming than anyone, yet he can't stop flying his jet around, and can't seem to live in anything less than a 10,000 square foot mansion.

If Al Gore can't change his lifestyle to conserve, there's no way the rest of us will.

There are other reasons for conservation of energy besides global warming, like dependence on terrorist countries for oil, requiring us to send our military over there to secure resources so we can drive to the mall whenever we want.

Humans are animals, with little foresight. We'll burn energy until it's gone.
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Old 01/01/11, 03:51 PM
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...... SOme of you heard of this guy, I hadn't. If you hadn't heard of him, you were so eager to discount the info that you researched him to tear him down, instead of researching the facts/info presented and debating them.

NL I can expect heard of the guy, since he is Canadian. But the rest of you have heard of him prior to this? I guess I need to get out more.
Actually, Becky, I hadn't ever heard of the kid before you posted this topic. I know Canada's population is small but it's not so small that I'd be familiar with the writings of unknown Canadian students. However, I did read the whole article linked to and didn't entirely agree with a lot of other things he's so 'prophetically' opinionated about, so I was very surprised when I discovered he's a young student in BC !! That prompted me to look at some of his other articles he's written. His prolific global conspiracy theories that he's into were well researched by him but they're all other people's thoughts, not his, and all he's done is expound on them. They're pessimistic and counterproductive to the conservationist ideals that are more prevalent in globally aware and well educated proactive young people in Canada - especially students in BC which is a cradle of the beginning of the global resource conservation movement that started here 40 years ago.

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I don't know why it matters even if man is causing global warming. Al Gore is supposedly more scared of global warming than anyone, yet he can't stop flying his jet around, and can't seem to live in anything less than a 10,000 square foot mansion.

If Al Gore can't change his lifestyle to conserve, there's no way the rest of us will.

There are other reasons for conservation of energy besides global warming, like dependence on terrorist countries for oil, requiring us to send our military over there to secure resources so we can drive to the mall whenever we want.

Humans are animals, with little foresight. We'll burn energy until it's gone.
Yep, that about sums up the situation...
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Pacifist cant rule the world they are not strong enough....Now me I could rule the world and bet it would be with a iron fist toward all liberals and progressives.....
Of course because progress would threaten your tyranical rule.
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Old 01/01/11, 05:45 PM
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Wow, guys, easy! I thought you were all just kidding around with the tyrant stuff, stop taking each other soooo seriously!
I was kidding around. Guess that isn't allowed here....
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I was kidding around. Guess that isn't allowed here....
Nah, you're fine, seems like we have some siblings that just cannot play nice together, lol.
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