Arctic not completely dark in winters anymore

I'd never heard that before, so had to go look it up.

Fascinating! The same, identical headlines almost 100 years ago.....seals and icebergs.

Yet, we and they (seals and icebergs) are still here.

I believe we are experiencing some climate change just by how much windier it is where I live than it ever used to be.

As far as the statist man made global warming scare, like everything else, it's about money and control.

Yes it is about control and nothing more. The earth is way more dynamic than some believe. And Earth Sun and Moon have way more control over the earth then what man can do.
Gee and besides we are coming out of The Little Ice Age. Hmmmm how does that happen? It warms up and will continue to do so until the next swing back into an cooling trend again. After all there has been several ice ages, over the earth long history, and by golly it has to warm up to get it back to being warm again.

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and what happens when a volcano burps up a gajillion megatons of "energy" and "stuff" into the atmosphere?

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Climate change.

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yes, it's a blip for a few years, and it makes things colder and one volcano spouts a LOT of stuff more than man does

I'll say it again, (man made)global climate change is only a shell game to cloak the real problems that will git us quicker, and the control thing too.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/27/peak-everything
Peak Everything? Forget peak oil. What about peak lithium, peak neodymium, and peak phosphorus?
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“Is it realistic to predict that knowledge accumulation is so powerful as to outweigh the physical limits of physical capital services and the limited substitution possibilities for natural resources?” In other words, can increasing scientific knowledge and technological innovation overcome any limitations to economic growth posed by the depletion of non-renewable resources?

In 2007, William Tahil, an analyst with the France-based consultancy, Meridian International Research, issued a report that alarmingly concluded that there is “insufficient economically recoverable lithium available in the Earth's crust to sustain electric vehicle manufacture in the volumes required.” Tahil added, “Depletion rates would exceed current oil depletion rates and switch dependency from one diminishing resource to another.” (then read more for lithium alternatives, the Chevy Volt has a 400 pound lithium battery array...)

Neodymium is a rare earth metal used extensively to produce permanent magnets found in everything from computer magnetic disks and cell phones to wind turbines and automobiles. For example, the magnets that drive a Prius hybrid’s electric motor use more than two pounds of neodymium. Interestingly, neodymium magnets were invented in the 1980s to overcome the global cobalt supply shock that occurred as the result of internal warfare in Zaire. Because China can more cheaply produce neodymium than any other country in the world, that country is now the source of 95 percent of the world’s neodymium. Recently, however, China’s government warned that it would begin restricting exports of neodymium (and other rare earth metals) in order to insure supplies for its own manufacturers.

The Global Phosphorus Research Initiative (GPRI) notes that modern agriculture is dependent on continual inputs of phosphorus fertilizer and that known reserves could be depleted within the next 50 to 100 years. The current issue of Foreign Policy ominously warns that failing to meet the challenge of “peak phosphorus” would mean that “humanity faces a Malthusian trap of widespread famine on a scale that we have not yet experienced.” But unlike petroleum or natural gas, phosphorus, as an element, is not destroyed when it’s used and so could be recovered and recycled.

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just sayin, often the marketed green alternative is just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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GLAD YOU ASKED! Maybe this link will help educate you. Human activity produces A HUNDRED TIMES the greenhouse gas emissions of the earths volcanic activity on a YEARLY basis.

http://environment.about.com/od/gree...olcano-gas.htm

From the link...

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

Again, people are dismissing science because they dont like the politics of the situation. I am NO FAN of any sort of carbon tax shell games. As it stands, the carbon credit scam IS a tool to control people. Unfortunate, because no one really knows what adding so much greenhouse gas to the atmosphere is going to do. Maybe nothing, maybe Miami underwater in 50 years. Climate records show a DIRECT CORRELATION between CO2 levels and global temperature. Yes, there are natural cycles, but as humans. we ARE a force of nature, lets not try to pretend we are somehow absolved from responsibility.

Much the same as you dismiss science that says it's NOT caused by man's activities.

It's cooler now than it was 5 million years ago

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I would never ever worry about a volcano or super volcano's CO2 emissions... they'd actually probably come in handy, later on to balance the out the effects of the really deadly emission.... dust, volcanic ash, and other particulates. Last supervolcano that went off changed the planets temperature for a year... the year with no summer. Back in the 1800's. Imagine the "interesting times" we'd encounter if we went through a growing season, without a harvest!

I'll take human's CO2 emissions any day, versus a super volcanoes sun blocking layer of particulates. With AGW, it's a slow slide into warmier times, with a particulate event, it's an extinction level event.

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The White House, stung by its failure to legislate a cap-and-trade bill before the recent congressional elections, has a Plan B set to be implemented within weeks.

The new U.S. rules -- passed by executive order -- are aimed at curbing emissions from large industrial facilities like refineries and cement factories. They go into effect Jan. 2.



The EPA rules will require tougher emissions standards when air quality regulators issue permits to industry.

The first step tightens rules for existing facilities planning any expansion that would increase emissions. Then, starting in July, the rules will be extended to include newly constructed facilities........." continued.


All the GW nonsense aside, I can't find anything about this Executive Order. Can ayone else enlighten me as to where I can read it?

The reality is, we're dealing with both volcanic and manmade pollution.
For my area,southern Illinois, about 550ft above sea level, I can't say what the effects of an annual temp rise of a few degrees would be. It may be a positive, maybe not. Longer growing season, at least by a few weeks? Yeah, I'd take that.
But theres a few hundred million impoverished Asian folks who'll be looking for new homes if the sea does rise by a meter or so in the next century. Our coastal cities might not fare too well either.
We'll find out, one way or another!

Why are there more people try to get close to the equator verses the poles? People like to be warm. LOL

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BFF, point us to some links please? I'm not dismissing ANY info i havent at least looked at.

And cooler 5 mil years ago? Probably. Then warmer , then cooler. Yeah I've heard. 'Natural Cycles' which are still going on today. Except today, MANKIND must figure into the equasion. We ARE a force of nature. Its already shown we in our masses release 20,000,000,000 TONS of CO2 into the enviornment EVERY YEAR.
I dont have any beachfront property, so I'm not all that concerned for my immediate well being if GW does indeed occur.

Come spend a summer in southern illinois. The heat and humidity will probably send you running right back to the cool Wisconsin woods! Provided Global Warming doesnt fry the pines of course.

Just try to grow any kind of crops with snow on the ground. Nobody wants an ice age. But even a few degrees warmer you still can grow food.

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sounds to me like the earths axis has tilted a bit too far.

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No, it was about 7*C WARMER then, without any help from man, and it will get that hot again, no matter what we do.

Sea levels have been rising for thousands of years, and are NOT rising any faster now

Type my statements into Google.
That will work with most of the facts I present

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this.

and it's obvious .2 gigatons a year("every year") doesn't take into account catastrophic eruptions, which is what I mainly had in my head Like the 1880 one Texican mentioned(Krakatoa?) the big poofs of stuff that block the sun.

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If it takes until Next Century NO we wont cause we will all be dead...I am tough but not that tough...I cant hold out anouther 90 or so years.....maybe my great great grandkids will find out but I havent seen them yet...so perhaps they will have figured out a way to prevent this flooding you speak of...LOL no one and I mean no one on earth is gonna spend themselves into a poor house on the threat of the "next century or so"

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