Unease grows over the future of pell Grants

My husband once asked the guy who cuts our grass what he does during the winter. He was mildly surprised when the fellow replied that he takes winters off and spends them in his Florida condo, which he paid for by money earned mowing lawns!

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Wow......

Guess what, your plan here will cost taxpayers a WHOLE lot more than 20 grand for college for the mother. How much do you think it would take to support even ONE child till the age of 18? Holy cow

And taxpayers don't pay the whole cost of college for someone, not even close. You can also get a degree for less than 20 grand.

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Just a thought here, but is there anyone here that can find anything in our US Constitution authorizing congress to appropriate ANY funds for pell grants? I have read through it numerous times now, along with the duly ratified amendments and cant seem to find it.

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they are not counted under bankruptcy....you can stop paying, but it catches up to you. they can/will garnish your paycheck

look at it as owing the IRS. it really is no differant because you owe the federal government

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I think you've lost touch with reality. Go live below the poverty level for a couple decades and come back and say these things again!

I have been living below the poverty level all of my life......... and I have to agree with her on this one. People really should get their own act together before taking on the responsibility for others.

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yup...they should. however, look how slowly things changed for women! wasnt too long ago that women leaving their families and going to work was unheardof. The best a woman could hope for was a husband with a fat paycheck and a short life expectancy.
Thats why its important to push our daughters into school.....cause god knows she wont ever be able to depend on some guy to provide for the babies that are made.

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I didn't actually mean to quote that particular sentence of hers. Otherwise, yes, I do agree that they should pull their act together first... Of course, that depends on what one defines as pulling it together.

Funny, before the advent of welfare in the 1930s, that's the way things were done, and it didn't seem overly costly to society! And women didn't even have the career opportunities that they do today. Nowadays, I think it might prove costly in the short term, but it would be worth it to break the cycle of intergenerational welfare and prevent babies from growing up in crackhouses.

Welfare is an anachronism from an earlier age when women weren't expected to be able to support themselves. Times have changed, and it's ludicrous that we tax single working mothers to allow other less ambitious ones to stay home with their kids!

I lived beneath the poverty line as a young adult, and decided I had no business bringing children into that environment. By working steadily and forgoing childbearing, I was able to scramble up into the middle class. It would have been a lot harder to do so had I taken time off to have babies, then had to pay for daycare.

Many of my housecleaning clients today are young parents who went to college, got their degrees, got good jobs, and now are married and starting families in their early 30s. Their children are being raised in lovely homes with both mom and dad present; they have nice things and undoubtedly will be able to go to college themselves when the time comes. Yes, their parents had to delay gratification a bit -- they didn't get married at 18 or start popping out babies in high school, but I have to say that it appears it's worked out well for them.

We're not talking rocket science here. I'm not sure why society is so reluctant to endorse the advantages of waiting to marry and start a family until one is established (and to do it in that order!). In fact, it's practically taboo to suggest that some people really have no business having children, or at least should wait awhile. Weird!

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"I love all of this mud," said no one, ever.

Perhaps they'll think you're an environmentalist person concerned about overpopulation.

Now you are talking about welfare. We are talking about Pell grants and the chance for someone to get to BE self sufficient if they were unable to before, for WHATEVER reason.
You keep changing the subject of what the previous posts were about, trying to make a point, and you cant make a point that way.

By the way, I paid in taxes, THIS YEAR alone, what I got from all my Pell grants COMBINED.


Society isnt. Again, you are using a completely different subject to try to make a point.
You paint everyone with the same brush. There are people that DID wait and were sufficient, and their jobs went south with NAFTA and suddenly the whole career they spent their lives building up, was GONE. Or people that lost their jobs in a recession, etc. You would rather imagine all those people are just these women sitting on their butts popping out kids.


But its not up to you to decide if, or how many children, someone should have, or when they should have them.

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Or, what about when NO ONE has been proven unreliable and a low income household would just like to make a better life? My DH has a great job and he supports our family of 5. We raise our own children (no help from the gov't thank you very much), bought our home, grow our food, drive used vehicles, skip the manicures, etc. etc. pretty much all that everyone else here does, BUT the economy fell apart. Thankfully, DH's job is not in danger, but what if it were? I can earn about $10/hr with my fabulous (not really.lol) secretarial skills and DH will never find another job in the exact industry he's in now because there just aren't that many steel bridge building companies in every neighborhood...sooooo we decided I should go back to school. In the event that something happens to DH, we don't have to rely on welfare to feed the poor kids, I've got some skills of my own, ty very much.

I get a PELL grant. It's roughly $2500 per year (not sure where some of these other estimates come from, I'm guessing every case is different) and I get another $1600 from the state, add to that a $500/yr scholarship from the university for my good grades and I STILL have to borrow money to pay my tuition. We are pinching every available penny to pay for my commute and books. I'm really happy to have the PELL grant option. Better that now than food stamps later, I think.

btw, I don't consider myself particularly stupid Willow Girl. I've got your 3.9 beat every semester but one and my lowest was a 3.53 with a full (19 hr) class load.

"Why don't they have a choice? They always have a choice. What makes you think they have to go to college to earn a decent living? Learn all you can about something that interests you by reading, talking to people, etc. and start your own business. In this service economy, working for yourself is the best way to earn a living. There are people earning big money just mowing yards. Plumbing, electrical, carpentry, making cabinets, hanging wallpaper, making drapes, heating and cooling, landscaping, etc. all pay really well and are in demand. You can always find a low paying job somewhere until you get your business built up a bit. If you are honest and willing to work hard, you will come out ahead considering the time lost and expense of going back to school."



because i am one of the older students going to college

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How can there be any default rate on a grant?

I didn't get that either. A grant is welfare, only from a different government office.

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Dear Math, it is time you grew up and solved your own problems.

Did someone force you to go to college? If not, you had a choice. Since you chose college, it would be nice if you chose to pay for it yourself instead of expecting taxpayers to.

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Dear Math, it is time you grew up and solved your own problems.

Well I do know my DM owed IRS $100K got it cut down and they was paid up when she died.

And I know I owed on Student Loans wasn't paying them back and your right they Garnish your wages.I just went ahead and paid them.

big rockpile

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Since welfare is often generational, if we got the child with better role models the savings could be tremendous.

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People hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe.

role models have something to do with it, but there are other factors involved. giving opportunity to those who come from poorer backgrounds and where there is a chance to break the cycle of poverty....that is where its at. i dont understand the backlash against those who need help. what happened to all of the "i will give a hand up, rather than a hand out" mantra from the right?
are you now saying that education is not important?

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A student loan is one thing, it gets repaid, with interest..... a hand up.... a "grant" is quite another, its merely money given with no intention of ever being repaid...... a handout. Neither of these however should be coming from the federal government until we have a constitutional amendment duly ratified authorizing congress to do so. If the feds would get out of the charity business, and regulate trade like they are supposed to be doing, thus creating a good environment for business.... JOBS could pay for the cost of education without grants or student loans.

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