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12/01/10, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by naturelover
If you aren't aboriginal then you are a foreigner just like all other immigrant foreigners or their descendants.
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I'll disagree with you on that unless you be a little more specific.
While I am not a native of North America I most certainly am a native of the United States of America. My ancestors were here prior to the formation of the USA (1630s) and helped fight to make it a USA.
Native of United States, yes! Native of North America, no.
I'll further note that some of my ancestors worked with Wm. Penn and purchased their land from/through the Leni Lenape Indians rather than just take it through battle.
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12/01/10, 10:49 AM
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Trixie, I think you're reading too much into my comment. My only point was that people have been immigrating to the US for a very long time and for as many years as it's been happening, there has been someone who felt it was a bad idea.
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12/01/10, 10:55 AM
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I find it interesting that people are willing to refrain from defending their home just because they feel guilty that some prehistoric clan was here first. You all can go ahead and give your home away, I plan on keeping what I have and would like my children to have a country to live in, not another violence ridden Muslim/Mexican nation.
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12/01/10, 01:15 PM
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Would someone please tell me ONE country in the world that was not colonized by immigrants of some sort? A country is made by the people that live there. Countries have been over run by invaders since the beginning of time. Whoever controls the land, controls the country. So get off this foreigners stuff. So called indians came from somewhere else too.
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12/01/10, 04:30 PM
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This story is a local story here. Has been in the papers, although have not heard anything as of late.
I think she and her baby should be granted to stay.
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12/01/10, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Yldrosie
Yes, bring her here so we can have someone else and their dependents to support. When will we have enough foreigners here? When we are totally broke? Not to far to go on that.
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As I just posted, this is a local story here where I am. The fallen Marine is the dad of that baby. In fact, if memory serves me the baby was born shortly after he was deployed and before he was deployed they were trying to get her citizenship.
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12/01/10, 04:44 PM
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You can just about bet on the fact her husband's family was sponsoring her during the paperwork process. From what the piece indicates , she chose to return to Japan and the job she had there.
Had she continued with the process instead of heading back to Japan it would never had made the news.
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12/01/10, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by naturelover
Why? What's different with what you already have?
America already is segments of different countries in one boundary, it always has been.
Are you just saying no more immigrants, period?
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I didn't say no more immigrants - I'm saying it is time the government begins to strongly suggest the new immigrants try to assimilate and learn the language, laws, etc. I don't think we should continue to enable them to not assimilate.
I did say and won't back up that we need to give this some thought. Do we not realize we are having some pretty rough times in this country right now. Not just the jobs and other things people are experiencing. I listed other problems. To continue to think we can just keep bringing in more and more people to put on our already overburdened economy, infrastructure, welfare system, etc., is folly.
In this country we have always championed the immigrant - but it's time to consider thinking of this country and it's people first. If they need help, let's consider helping them in their own country. The chances are pretty good, it will be a lot less expensive to do it there than here. Also, we will be doing their country and the world a favor.
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12/01/10, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wr
Trixie, I think you're reading too much into my comment. My only point was that people have been immigrating to the US for a very long time and for as many years as it's been happening, there has been someone who felt it was a bad idea.
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Sorry, if it seemed I jumped. I confess to being a little uptight about statements like that.
There are very few, if any, places on the planet peopled by the original inhabitants. So the statement about the Indians just doesn't really apply, except to show, as you said, that there has been migration since forever - the Indians did as well.
Then, of course, you could look at the plight of the Indians, and consider their immigration policies are a little like ours. Maybe we need to ask ourselves how those policies worked for them.
Again, I'm sorry, if I seemed harsh
My ancestors have been here since before America, fought in the Rev. War, and every war since, so maybe they paid for my citizenship - and as I said, my husband is Indian - so --
Again, though, there is something strange about this story. Why in the world would our Homeland Security not give her entry -
I'm thinking this is suppose to get us worked up so we will decide we don't need any immigration restrictions. It won't be the first time the government has used these tactics. Years ago, when people realized welfare was a runaway thing, there was a lot of grumbling. They would find some woman who truly needed welfare, but technically wasn't qualified, or they found some reason to deny it, and put her off - just before calling all the news networks.
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12/01/10, 10:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by salmonslayer
Really, what tribe do you belong to?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by naturelover
If you aren't aboriginal then you are a foreigner just like all other immigrant foreigners or their descendants.
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LOL You do realize that all everyone of those tribes originated somewhere else?
A native American is simply someone that cant trace their linage off the continent
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12/01/10, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fantasymaker
LOL You do realize that all everyone of those tribes originated somewhere else?
A native American is simply someone that cant trace their linage off the continent
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That's cute.
Although, they have linked DNA of the SW Indians to Orientals ( I know that isn'tpolitically correct, but 'Asian' isn't correct either).
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12/01/10, 11:24 PM
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wrong topic
Last edited by naturelover; 12/01/10 at 11:26 PM.
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12/02/10, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Yldrosie
Yes, bring her here so we can have someone else and their dependents to support. When will we have enough foreigners here? When we are totally broke? Not to far to go on that.
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Her husband died in the line of duty while active duty military. You're already supporting her and her children.
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12/02/10, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by salmonslayer
Really, what tribe do you belong to? I was aroundfor the entire 1960s and that means nothing.... I was born in the U.S. but my grandfather was a pilot in WWII...but not a US citizen until after the war...---- imigrant. I am all for enforcing imigration laws but this womans husband made the supreme sacrifice for his country and it seems to me that ensuring his family is taken care of is the least we could do. But I am prejudiced, I just retired from the Army after 33 years of service in the Marine Corps and Army, 5 combat tours and my wife is a naturlized citizen (but she was a white Canadian so thats probably okay).
Maybe your right, kick the mans wife and kid to the curb because we all know those dead service members wives are the ones causing all the problems.
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The key to this, that some are overlooking is the fact that she was married to an American. If he had lived and brought her over things would have turned out much different and we wouldn't be having this discussion, but since he died in combat before he was able to bring his family stateside she's getting the shaft.
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12/02/10, 12:24 AM
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Since she was legally married to an American I don't know why she is being denied. As for the tax payers taking care of her, as a widow of a US military member she should be getting benefits, so your taxes are going towards her support anyway.
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12/02/10, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sonshine
Since she was legally married to an American I don't know why she is being denied. As for the tax payers taking care of her, as a widow of a US military member she should be getting benefits, so your taxes are going towards her support anyway.
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Right!!
So, I'm wondering what this is all about.
Again, why should Homeland Security have a problem with this - when you look at their track record ---
This just doesn't make sense.
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