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11/17/10, 07:03 PM
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This is what bothered me so much about the "Sexting" cases. An innocent/foolish act by a teenager could easily haunt them the rest of their lives.
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11/17/10, 08:17 PM
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I don't care what size 'chests' the children have.
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LOL Ok then how do you define a child and what do you expect to attract the attention of a man?
18 years of age? LOL like theres some magic in that day and it shows up on their forehead?
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11/17/10, 10:07 PM
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Nobody is telling "them" where they can live, that is what is upsetting to me! How about if you have young daughters and a convicted pedofile (selling pics of his 8 year old daughter on the internet) moves three houses down from you? What then?
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People love to chase the convicted sex offenders, out of their neighborhoods. The problem is that the paroled sex offenders, usually end up moving, to a neighborhood, where parents may not watch their children as close. Not a very good alternative, at least for someone else's children.
"out of sight - out of mind", or "not in my neighborhood", may not be the best method. Maybe if they are kept in plain sight, where everyone knows what they are up to.
Heck, maybe people can even talk to them and get to know them good enough, to at least keep an eye on them. You don't have to invite them over for a barbeque.
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11/17/10, 11:22 PM
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LOL Ok then how do you define a child and what do you expect to attract the attention of a man?
18 years of age? LOL like theres some magic in that day and it shows up on their forehead?
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The poster was talking about 12 year old.
You know a child who is developed at an early age, might cause someone to look, out of shock, maybe. Anymore than that is sick - sorry.
Outside of the situations pointed out, a 16 year old and a 17 year old - or a 15 year old and a 17 year old, a 17 year old and 21 year old (maybe) etc., any contact between an adult and someone underage is wrong. No one needs to tell the adult that. We can split hairs and make up situations, but he/she knows it. A pedophile doesn't go after someone because he/she is attracted to adults - I don't cut them any slack
When we were visiting my son, we went with him 'up on the mountain' one day when he had to go do some testing. While he was working, we watched TV in his trailer. I hadn't seen TV in 3 or 4 years really. There is a situation comedy about a Mexican family -George Something. The show I watched, and I watched out of shock I guess. A sex offender had moved into the neighborhood. It turns out it was a gorgeous female teacher. There were all manner of jokes, and fun, and not really any outrage. I couldn't believe it.
That isn't a joking matter and it shouldn't be treated in such a casual manner. Is that intended to desensitize us?? Make them 'more human'.
I don't know.
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11/18/10, 08:30 AM
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"A sex offender had moved into the neighborhood. It turns out it was a gorgeous female teacher."
What if it would have been an average looking man?
Just my observation woman sexual offenders are treated far more kindly than males. Somehow female/male if looked up differently than male/female or male/male given the same general circumstances.
I looked up the sexual offenders list for Waverly, TN and there was one woman on it. Don't recall what she had been charged with.
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11/18/10, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Trixie
The poster was talking about 12 year old.
You know a child who is developed at an early age, might cause someone to look, out of shock, maybe. Anymore than that is sick - sorry.
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I think you miss my point. When a girl has a womanly figure guys look and are attracted....There's nothing shocking about a female with a womanly figure How are they to KNOW the girl is twelve.
Its not like there is a HUGE 12 on her forehead.
The way they know is they get to know her, and hopefully at some point she tells them shes twelve. Or they figure it out from the way she talks or behaves or something.
If they are lucky she that happens BEFORE they do something they might go to jail for.
In the meantime those that already know her think they are perverts
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11/19/10, 12:55 AM
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I think you miss my point. When a girl has a womanly figure guys look and are attracted....There's nothing shocking about a female with a womanly figure How are they to KNOW the girl is twelve.
Its not like there is a HUGE 12 on her forehead.
The way they know is they get to know her, and hopefully at some point she tells them shes twelve. Or they figure it out from the way she talks or behaves or something.
If they are lucky she that happens BEFORE they do something they might go to jail for.
In the meantime those that already know her think they are perverts 
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Most people get to know a girl before doing anything they can go to jail for because if she is that young you need to be very careful. If you go out and pick up street walkers then you need to be very very careful because you can come away with more than you wanted. Perverts is a good way to describe anybody that goes out and picks up a date with somebody that is more than 3 years younger than you if you are talking about a teenager or up to 22. If you can't tell a 12 year old by the way they talk you need to have some body to pick your friends.
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11/19/10, 01:00 AM
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Most people get to know a girl before doing anything they can go to jail for because if she is that young you need to be very careful. If you go out and pick up street walkers then you need to be very very careful because you can come away with more than you wanted. Perverts is a good way to describe anybody that goes out and picks up a date with somebody that is more than 3 years younger than you if you are talking about a teenager or up to 22. If you can't tell a 12 year old by the way they talk you need to have some body to pick your friends.
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Exactly!!
I'm sorry, but I'm thinking there are other clues beside the size of their anatomy that might give one a clue.
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11/19/10, 06:24 AM
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Perverts is a good way to describe anybody that goes out and picks up a date with somebody that is more than 3 years younger than you if you are talking about a teenager or up to 22.
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By this definition, most of our ancestors are perverts.
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11/19/10, 07:23 AM
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Older men courting/marrying younger women (trophy wives) and older women (cougars) courting/marrying younger men are perverts?.
A couple of old jokes:
Two sisters were talking about their father's plan to marry a woman younger then they were. One said she could see what December sees in May, but not what May sees in December. Other sister replied, "Christmas".
Guy goes into an Atlanic City hotel barroom and hooks up with a sweet little thing. Afterwards he asked, "Just how old are you anyway?" She replied, "13". He said, "Oh my God, you must leave immediately." She said, "What's the matter, you supercicious?"
When Jerry Lee Lewis married the 14-year-old joke was going around, "What type of wine do you serve with peanut butter sandwiches.'
TN has a law something to the effect there needs to be greater than (I believe) three years difference in age before statutory rape charges can me made.
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11/19/10, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fantasymaker
I think you miss my point. When a girl has a womanly figure guys look and are attracted....There's nothing shocking about a female with a womanly figure How are they to KNOW the girl is twelve.
Its not like there is a HUGE 12 on her forehead.
The way they know is they get to know her, and hopefully at some point she tells them shes twelve. Or they figure it out from the way she talks or behaves or something.
If they are lucky she that happens BEFORE they do something they might go to jail for.
In the meantime those that already know her think they are perverts 
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Originally Posted by Old Vet
Most people get to know a girl before doing anything they can go to jail for because if she is that young you need to be very careful. If you go out and pick up street walkers then you need to be very very careful because you can come away with more than you wanted. Perverts is a good way to describe anybody that goes out and picks up a date with somebody that is more than 3 years younger than you if you are talking about a teenager or up to 22. If you can't tell a 12 year old by the way they talk you need to have some body to pick your friends.
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Why you old pervert your out there talking to 12 year olds!
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Exactly!!
I'm sorry, but I'm thinking there are other clues beside the size of their anatomy that might give one a clue.
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LOL and just exactly how would you know about them BEFORE you got to know her?
Don't think for one minute you can tell a underage girl from her looks...or even how she talks and behaves.
A few years ago there was a girl who worked in the porn industry for YEARS before revealing she was under age. hundreds of people with jobs,businesses and lives on the line,talked to her, saw her and even looked at her credentials and never had a clue she was under age.
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11/19/10, 07:13 PM
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Why you old pervert your out there talking to 12 year olds!
LOL and just exactly how would you know about them BEFORE you got to know her?
Don't think for one minute you can tell a underage girl from her looks...or even how she talks and behaves.
A few years ago there was a girl who worked in the porn industry for YEARS before revealing she was under age. hundreds of people with jobs,businesses and lives on the line,talked to her, saw her and even looked at her credentials and never had a clue she was under age.
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Tracy Lord. I think she was 13 when she started.
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11/19/10, 07:30 PM
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According to wikipedia, she was 16 and has quite a few credits associated with her.
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11/21/10, 01:25 PM
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There is a little girl that shows horses with my daughter. She looks 17-18, but she just turned 13. She tends to act much older, (so I watch her carefully when we are together). We had a new boarder move into the barn, and he was looking at her. She is a pretty girl. Kid just turned 21. Another lady at the barn and I pulled him aside immediately and told him how old she was. He turned about 3 shades of pale and said "I had no idea. I thought she was at least 18-19" My point is that it is not always easy to tell how old someone is.
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11/21/10, 01:27 PM
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Any body Know if this is true? Ive heard there is a new law that prohibits anyone with a sex crime conviction of being on ANY body of water that has a beach.
Could that be right? No where on the Mississippi cause there's a beach at Saint Paul? Not able to work a tow boat? How about on ships at sea? How far do they carry this after all don't most waters flow into something with a beach?
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Unless you have been convicted of a sex crime then why would you even be concerned? I say they should all rot in jail period.
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11/21/10, 01:40 PM
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Unless you have been convicted of a sex crime then why would you even be concerned? I say they should all rot in jail period.
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Because if everyone's rights are protected you don't need to worry about your own.
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11/21/10, 01:52 PM
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Unless you have been convicted of a sex crime then why would you even be concerned? I say they should all rot in jail period.
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Because I dont want to have to support them because all possible employment has be eliminated.
And just cause it seems so stupid.
LOL this doesnt affect those in jail.
And yes I have peed in the wide open spaces so I could be convicted of a sex crime.
One thing Ive learned about justice is that its pretty randum Im quite sure if you lived in my state YOU would have commited a felony.
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11/21/10, 04:20 PM
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Because I dont want to have to support them because all possible employment has be eliminated.
And just cause it seems so stupid.
LOL this doesnt affect those in jail.
And yes I have peed in the wide open spaces so I could be convicted of a sex crime.
One thing Ive learned about justice is that its pretty randum Im quite sure if you lived in my state YOU would have commited a felony.
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I agree, going to the bathroom along side of the road, shouldn't be a sex crime if you aren't 'exhibiting'. I'm thinking most of us have done that.
Also I agree, justice has gotten so very silly - just ludicrous.
The thing is, though, true sex offenders, child molesters, just don't change it seems. Why do we let them out when we know they are probably going to harm again? Why let someone out to prey on the public if you have to limit where they live for fear they will hurt a child? They are going to come into contact with a child if that is their intention.
I think there are times people do need to be locked up, forever. Find someway they can work to support themselves within their confined space. A penal colony?
As for not knowing they are young, if you think you are near the same age - inquire. Find out - ask someone. Be sure. I think that's a very good reason for suggesting we take things a little more slowly these days. If, by some very isolated chance, a man is really fooled, that could be fixed within the justice system without his being charged. WE do need that leeway.
If you know you are no where near her age, whatever you think it is, - don't even think about it.
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11/21/10, 04:27 PM
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As for not knowing they are young, if you think you are near the same age - inquire. Find out - ask someone. Be sure. I think that's a very good reason for suggesting we take things a little more slowly these days. If, by some very isolated chance, a man is really fooled, that could be fixed within the justice system without his being charged. WE do need that leeway.
If you know you are no where near her age, whatever you think it is, - don't even think about it.
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And one thing we can be sure about. No young girl would ever lie about her age.
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11/21/10, 05:05 PM
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The thing is, though, true sex offenders, child molesters, just don't change it seems. Why do we let them out when we know they are probably going to harm again? Why let someone out to prey on the public if you have to limit where they live for fear they will hurt a child? They are going to come into contact with a child if that is their intention.
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I have a Criminal Justice Degree and I have to tell you that this is a fairly popular myth. Sex offenders have a reoffense rate much lower than other classes of crime. Depending on location and how well their therapy programs work it can be surprisingly low. I know in MN it is around 5%. If what folks say about sex crimes is true the number of folks who reoffend is probably lower than the number of folks who never get caught, bearing in mind that past offenders are closely watched. I think the key is to identify the truly psychopathic and sociopathic ones and lock them up for good.
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