Hostage cituation in MD
 

at the Discovery channel. I just heard on the radio that he is some kid of Global Warming fruit loop. Prayers for a good outcome.

Been listening to it...wfie's cousin and hub are often in that building...no work from them.
Hope everyone is safe, and glad they got the daycare evacuated...the guy is, according to reports, anti population and has an extreme dislike for those who procreate...
Matt

story here... http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/01...pt=T1&iref=BN1

and here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_discovery_channel_gunman

Matt

Strange, wounder what his issues have to do with the Discovery channel.

The Duggars. The man has huge issues with overpopulation.

Sounds like an environut scared by the fear tactics of those profiting from the global warming farce.

I just checked ObamaNews (ABC) and they are reporting the following:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-ente...ry?id=11535128

He's apparently a lunatic enviro-wacko who thinks that humans should stop procreating and go extinct to save the planet. His beef is apparently with shows like Duggars and Kate Plus 8 that feature huge families. He also objects to programming about war and its effects. He was arrested at the building in 2008 after a protest. Most enviro-loonies don't truly mean what they say, and have ulterior motives (see Al Gore). The thing is, any extremist movement will inspire unbalanced individuals who swallow the rhetoric at face value. The guy supposedly has a dozen hostages. He claims to have a bomb.

He is obviously very ill and his illness chose the Duggars and Kate plus 8 to fixate on.
Very strange.
I do hope they can get him under control.

He's obviously a couple of Froot Loops shy of a full bowl.

He should be over at the History Channel holding hostages to protest how the guys on "American Pickers" take advantage of gullible old people.

I'm in a mood so. . .I think this might be a case where reducing the population by 1 might be a good idea.

Also I wonder if Discovery has a no weapons policy with its employees. Kinda nice for them to make a nice risk free environment for the nut case.

Here's his demands of them

Total wacko

Oh Lawdy ...
 

They gonna try to put the blame on "hate" radio ain't they??
I'll bet we won't hear about the terror that the global warming/climate change idiots instill in these young malleable people - causing them to do their own acts of terror - but I think that is part of the plan, huh.

Actually you can blame that on MD gun laws. To get a concealed carry permit in this state you literally have to be beaten to death, brought back to life, and be threatened to be beat to death a second time. No open carry AND the only non criminal reason to be carrying a firearm is either to or from a hunt or to or from the gun range.

According to his BIL he's been "off" for years. Highly intelligent, obsessive, abusive to family,etc, etc...Sounded sorta like untreated bi-polar.

They're now saying he may be wired with a kill-switch.

The guy had a restraining order against him, prohibiting him from coming within 500 feet of the building he is now holding hostages in (article from 2008):

http://www.gazette.net/stories/03260...53_32361.shtml

In February 2008 he was arrested for disorderly conduct, since he was throwing money-REAL money-into the air because, he claimed, "money is trash". A number of those gathered to watch him thought otherwise, and he nearly caused a riot when people started fighting with each other for the money.

I read a comment somewhere that said that this guy used to drink coffee at a DC area Borders and whine about the Discovery Channel. He tried to get employees of the Borders to join his cause, and they refused. They thought the guy was wacko, but didn't think he was capable of this.

Apparently he was fired from his job in San Diego several years ago, but no word on where he worked or whether his mental problems played a role in his firing. His manifesto has showed up in several places. He's definitely nuts, he wants humans to stop procreating and objects to shows that portray huge families, such as those run on TLC, owned by Discovery.

Schizophrenia was my first thought. It's related to (and sometimes confused with) bipolar, and OCD is a common co-morbid disorder. Autism is also related to schizo and bipolar, and high functioning autistics used to be called "schizo-affective" before modern diagnosing criteria came about.

I dunno as he's railing against immigration too.

Sounds like he's really sick and has been brewing for this for years.

The police just plinked him.

Wow!! :eek: Those are quite the demands, eh?

I thought I was hot about over-population but this guy really takes the cake. Sociophobic, xenophobic, schizophrenic.

That's a nasty situation they've got happening there, he sounds non-negotiable. The way he feels about humans I doubt that fellow will place any value on his hostages. He probably plans to take them out anyway no matter what happens.

Nasty, nasty situation there, I sure hope the hostages will survive.

Wow!

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Good thing he's not some other kind of fruit loop. That would be a totally different situation. Any other kind of fruit loop and they could just ignore him.:stars:

I just read on Yahoo that the hostage(s) have been released.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ (can't give specific links since MSNBC uses hidden link system) The cops shot him, and he is now under arrest. He was indeed carrying bombs, and one went off. Three hostages, probably security guard, receptionist, and somebody else, likely an employee. He cited a book by Daniel Craig, My Ishmael, in which a gorilla criticizes human society to a human girl. Craig said he'd never met Lee, and has no idea how he got what he got out of that book. I haven't yet found any interviews with relatives, please post if you have links.

It says he's dead.

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Now who will save the squirrels?

It was updated as I was typing here. Went back to MSNBC and it said he's dead. I didn't think he would be taken alive-he was too nutty.

Same road, different mile markers.

From the manifesto

"Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels."



Froggies, and of course the squirrels.............. Wow. I hope he survives, if for nothing else the comic value. I'm sure he will spend 8 hours a day in prison writing more of this comedy.

Sounds as if he managed to decrease the world population by one.

How much do you want to bet he wasn't a vegetarian?

Well, I bet he didn't eat froggies........

Yup! ;) And we all have our own roads I guess. :grin:


Well, sad to say but I'm glad the cops took that guy out.

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The guy really truly thought that "froggies" and squirrels were more important than humans! Wow! Somebody needed to let him in on the fact that most of the enviro-loonies have ulterior motives and really don't care about saving the planet. Al Gore changes the lightbulbs in his 20,000 sqft mansion to CFLs and claims that's saving the planet, while crazies out there hang on every word he says as if he was a god. Schizophrenia is UGLY! Fortunately, most of them are not violent, except to themselves and maybe family members.

Here's a little secret: NOBODY on either political extreme that has any news coverage really believes what they say. Glenn Beck doesn't really believe his own stuff. Neither does Al Gore. It's all "entertainment", meant for stupid minds. The thing is, all actions have consequences. People on the fringes of society take the "entertainers" dead seriously and start preparing for war. People eventually get hurt and killed. One day, somebody will hurt and kill thousands if not millions of people because they took "entertainment" seriously.

Thomas Jefferson believed in limiting the number of people who could speak freely, so that free speech was not misused. The Founders, to a man, believed that only those with an educated opinion should be allowed free speech. Today, we glorify idiotic speech. Speech that inflames instead of informs. Originally, free speech did NOT include the freedom to lie or "rabble rouse". Those are later interpretations.

The John Peter Zenger case was decided for Zenger on the idea that his criticisms of the English Governor were truthful and therefore not libelous. Speech has to be true in order to be truly free, IOW. THAT is such a minefield, what with a secretive government that says the ignorance of the public is a national security asset, that it's easier to allow all speech. Eventually, this is what happens.

He forgot the polar bears and baby seals. :eek:

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Loquisimo, I disagree, Patrick Henry, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Paul Revere were all considered "rabble rousers" in their day.

I applied to work at Discovery a few years ago; I jumped through their online hoops. They didn't even acknowledge receipt of my resume and detailed nonsense they required. I haven't read much on this particular incident but their arrogance towards me (and I suspect others--maybe this person wrote to them to express his concerns and they just ignored him, too? If so, they had a chance to totally avert this situation but were too full of themselves in their Ivory Tower (yep, IRL, that's exactly what their expensive building resembles if you drive past it) to not play the corporate mentality--"we are gods; you are nothing to us.") Maybe not but maybe so...

It sounds like the guy was already bat loony, and nothing Discovery could have done would change that. Word is that the Discovery employees considered the guy "a joke" and never thought he'd storm the place with a gun and bombs. TV networks are ALWAYS getting bizarre pitches for prospective shows, as well as complaints from people about programming. Many of the pitchers/complainers are mentally ill.

I worked for CA Governor Pete Wilson, in his mailroom (only place a politically unconnected 17 year old would be allowed, lol) during the summer of 1992. We were ALWAYS getting bizarre missives. There are a LOT of crazy people out there, the average Joe on the street has NO IDEA! People think only a handful are insane, I can testify that crazy people are a dime a dozen, and that's only counting the ones that mail and call the politicians/corporations.

There have been a number of theories over the years that our modern, stress filled, tech laden society causes insanity, since our Stone Age minds simply can't handle the Info Age world we've created. That was one of the Unabomber's central theories, and even the MSM admitted that he was likely right. It is known that stress and a less than optimal life can affect sperm and eggs, causing kids to be "off". With GMO foods and 24/7 connectivity, AND all the pollutants we dump into our world, I'm surprised that "crazy" isn't considered normal, and sanity abnormal.

SOMETHING is causing the sharp rise in severely autistic kids, kids who simply can't function no matter how many drugs or behavioral interventions you give them. I would bet that if we bothered to measure, we would find that what is traditionally called severe mental illness is soaring too. How come we could go through a 15 year Great Depression and NOT have people slaughtering each other a mere 80 years ago, yet our more mild economic problems cause people to snap left and right? "Crazy" is everywhere, that's why Al Gore's form of "entertainment" would eventually lead to this.

So why hasn't MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC or FOX had "stormers"? (Maybe they have; I don't pay much attention to the news.) But I suspect they get A LOT of similar warnings/letters/phonecalls from "jokes" but deal with it--professionally and efficiently with safety for THEIR employees always in mind. Discovery could have changed the outcome...a man died...perhaps a very sick man but a man died... and their employees were traumatized. Ivory tower mentality IMO. Typical for that area..

Sounds more like a "blame the victim" mentality to me......

Who is the victim? Discovery had fair warning and should have protected their employees from someone who was unbalanced but also taken the further step, as many companies do, to make the potential bad situation go away before escalation; they chose to ignore clear warnings by LOL at the "joke". The "bad guy" is dead so all's well, right?

BTW, Discovery headquarters are 1/2 mile at best from DC.

MSM typically calls in the FBI on serious problem people. FBI handles it. Most of the problem people wind up in state institutions meant to house the criminally insane. (This is no guarantee they'll STOP, however-when I worked in Guv Wilson's mailroom we continually got harassing letters from Atascadero inmates, Atascadero State Hospital being where the most dangerous crazies are caged in CA. I never asked why they can't rein in the crazies who are already under lock and key.) Discovery honchos may have thought that they were immune, since most of their stuff isn't that controversial, save for the "big family" shows. If D-List celebrities have to deal with schizo stalkers, NOBODY in the public eye is exempt. I don't know what mail or other correspondence they got from this guy, but they may not have thought he was a real threat, and again they may have thought that nobody would attack them. They had a restraining order, but the cops have file cabinets stuffed full of those things, and legions of dead women can attest to the futility of a restraining order. So I wouldn't blame the victim just yet.