1 of every 12 babies born in 2008 had illegal immigrant parent

What with ALL the "problems" in the U.S. we do have to shoulder ALL the responsibility - ALL of it. What gets us through the day is called "hard scrabble" and we can see it's going to get a great deal harder. This is NO fantasy - the garbage that comes to the U.S. to further trash it is ONE of the problems that we can and should handle. They have ruined their own country and now have encroached into a "tolerant" country to leech and "work hard" to trash another country. I do think Bush is culpable - it's the "new world order" that is really at fault. The "illegal aliens" - criminals - try to blame their "problems" on another group - while whining and begging and destroying. I pray to get through the day - not blaning it on cannibals who say they're "just trying to feed their family" - Balderdash, they're feeding their children MY children.

Meanwhile, some Republicans have come up with a budget that will raise taxes for 90 percent of Americans in order to fuel tax breaks for the richest 10 percent.

But those Republicans promise to do away with the illegal aliens (despite the fact they did nothing last time they ran the country), so we'll vote for them in November, right?

Illegal immigration is a red herring. Illegal immigrants are convenient scapegoats. You all are being led around by your noses and don't even realize it!

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Good point. I sure remember my outrage when I saw Bush on TV saying "We need the illegals to do the work Americans won't do". What an idiot. And insulting to Americans, insinuating we are lazy. So hard to know WHO to vote for come Nov.

I have to agree with you here, WG. Politicians: I'm sick of all of them.

Well, here's some food for thought for ya (source: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...oore-tax-poor/ )

The rich are getting richer, and they're setting things up to make sure your children and mine will be serfs to their offspring.

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Ha - this has been a "promise" long enough for any dead head to know it a stack of malarky - please note in my post: "What with ALL the "problems" in the U.S. we do have to shoulder ALL the responsibility - ALL of it. What gets us through the day is called "hard scrabble" and we can see it's going to get a great deal harder". All those problems do not mean we can let a convenient "scapegoat" to become even a lager one in this quest to a stated goal of "one world government" - not too many - even the liberals who defend all things Barack Hussein Abdullah Obama - have their head in the sand. There is a terror that has gripped so many of us - of losing our beloved America that we grew up in. Yes, things change - but please - change for the better for America. I suggest that the rings are in many more liberals noses than the conservatives who are used to the empty, hot air promises of the "republicans".

Gercarson, with whom do you have more in common? Who shares your interests? The undocumented Mexican mother struggling to feed her children, or that 1 percent who takes home 25 percent of the income earned in this country?

I milk cows for $8 an hour and have worked side-by-side with those Mexicans. I like them a heck of a lot better than I do the Wall Street types! I know which side I'm on.

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Are "those Mexicans" legal or illegal?

Well, I went to the link, but a poster to that article can explain to HT better than I could have.: from BurningFeet:
"Neat trick to take "illegal's births" from Parkland and then extrapolate the numbers. Even neater that Parkland DOESN'T ASK FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS from women giving birth. So, take an imaginary number and dress it up. Presto, chango, baloney.
Hear that popping noise? That is a reporter for the Morning News extracting numbers from an orifice."

also in the article: "It might slow it down some," he(Dr Steve Murdock) said. "But the idea that the majority of Texas Hispanics are illegal is ludicrous. The vast majority are citizens."

Hummm Looks like someone bit and it wasn't me. Seems to me like some of us don't just bite, but swallow it hook, line and sinker...

Seriously, most of us do read what we like and simply accept it, but if it goes against our core values we scrutinize it a tad more. When children are attacked I get somewhat sensitive. No hard feelings, ninny.

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Wish that was contagious.

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People hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe.

You won't get it, but I'll explain anyway. An act is illegal, a person is undocumented.

To AGAIN tell you that if you drive 56 in a 55 you aren't illegal, your driving is. That's why we don't call you illegal BFF, we just call you heavyfootBFF. :smiley-laughing013: I cracked a funny.

The "illegall alien" is your rhetoric that some of us don't condone.

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An ILLEGAL alien is a criminal
No rewording will change that, and it doesn't require you to "condone" anything

If I get caught speeding, I'll suffer the consequences and pay the penalty
ILLEGAL aliens need to do the same when they are caught.

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Why not put the blame where it belongs.

The politicians have been encouraging illegals to come to this country for as long as I can remember.
The politicians have made it possible for the illegals to remain in this country.
The politicians keep the border as porus as possible.

Since this is a homesteading forum I will try to explain using homesteading terms and situations.

Say you have a large tract of land bordering your neighbors large tract.
You have a large truck garden and make your living selling the vegetables you raise. Your neighbor raises cattle. His property is unimproved.
The neighbor's cattle come onto your property and eat and destroy the vegetables you raise.
You contact your neighbor and ask him to enclose his cattle so they do not destroy your crop. He refuses. You decide to build a fence to protect your crops. The neighbor blocks the construction of your fence.
You decide to pen up the neighbors cattle when they are caught on your property. The neighbor gets a court order barring you from doing this.
You decide to use the courts to stop the destruction of your property.
Courts move slowly and just when you think you will be able to resolve the problem the neighbor sells out to his brother.
Now you have to start all over when his brother decides he will do the same thing as his brother. Each time you think you will be able to get something done the tract of land is sold to another family member.

Now could you put politician in the place of neighbor and illegal in the place of cattle. Isn't that sort of like the problem we have today?
Is your problem with the cattle(illegals) or the neighbor(politician)
The cattle are destroying your crops but they are doing like cattle do and look for the best things to eat they can find. The neighbor can put a stop to his cattle but chooses not to because it is free feed and he makes more profit that way.

It is understandable you would be mad at the cattle but it is really the neighbor that continues to allow this to happen.

Here, here, none of that stuff... you're either talking about illegal aliens or the Democratic base... no ID (couldn't vote dozens of time if they actually had an ID), Address and phone??? Maybe. Speak English, very very poorly. No insurance??? that's why I voted for my man Obama. No job? Ditto voting for my man Obama... he's going to pay for all my needs.

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The left would be up in arms if the illegals were going to be voting conservative...

I read an article somewhere last week, that explained that the 14th amendment, doesn't allow for anchor babies... very plainly. But, Justice Marshall? put that it 'did' in a footnote to another case, in the early 80's and the progressives have 'ran' with it ever since.

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Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. W. Edwards Deming

In the state where I live you do not even need an ID to vote. Just walk up and give a name already on the books and vote.
In one district there are people voting that are over 120 years old. A very large number of those voting were over 100 years old.
Each time there is an election the number of over 100 year old voters increase.

I'd really love to believe it...
But, if I were a betting kind of guy, I'd bet that the US and Russia, and a few other countries, have vials of it in cold storage. I saw a program just a couple days ago, where a Russian scientist was talking about his work weaponizing smallpox.

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Haven't worked through all the posts yet, but has anyone actually read the 14th amendment. There's a neat little clause in it that states to the effect the parents are subject to the laws of the country. If you can't legally vote, you can't be a citizen, (foreign ambassador), and your children can't be automatically called citizens.

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Wow, well why am I not surprised? The poor have been exploited for as long as we have kept history. And the sad thing is, the people who believe the stuff they promise. Seems to me that there is a big game going on, that tries to create division in this country, to plot us against one another. I am neither liberal nor conservative,as I have beliefs that fall on both "sides", as I am sure many of us do.

What is really scary to me is that there are so many people who are unaware that they are being used as pawns in this game. BOTH "sides" use FEAR, to plot Americans against fellow Americans. Divide & conquer. Age-old tactic.

Willow , I can sympathize w/ the plight of illegals ,too, but in the overall scheme of things, we are NOT doing them any favors to allow them to continue to come here to be exploited!! If the bureaucrats didn't profit from the exploitation of the illegals, this wouldn't be happening. They don't care about them, NOR do they care that the average American is being harmed by the cost of illegals to the US economy. It's all about GREED, always has been, hopefully it won't always be allowed like it is now.

I wish we could get all Americans together & change the way things are done w/ regards to this, but as long as The Rich are profiting by exploiting the Poor, it ain't gonna happen. They will continue to plot us against each other, create division, & continue on their merry way to riches. Meanwhile, the Average American will pick up the tab, & the rich will go on Vacation.

Why can't the zillions of illegals pouring across our southern border get together & CHANGE Mexico? If we can send our troops all over the WORLD to "help" the oppressed countries of the world, why can't we seem to help our nearest neighbors??? Does that make any sense?? Of course not. If we were to actually HELP Mexico to become independent,prosperous, & free of the drug cartel rule, the RICH in the US would LOSE their SLAVE LABOR, and lose MONEY!!! We can't have THAT, now can we??

Personally, I can see no other reason that we HAVEN'T helped Mexico to rid themselves of the corruption, other than the fact that the US is making $$$$ off of the illegals, the drug cartels.etc. And all to a HUGE cost to the US economy. I sincerely hope that people in the US WAKE UP soon, & realize that we are all being taken for fools. The Powers That Be are constantly working to pit us against each other, so that while we are squabbling amongst ourselves, they are laughing all the way to the Bank.

I can give a little info on the reason we haven't helped Mexico rid themselves of corruption.

Years ago the U.S. put Mexico into the drug business. The U.S. did this to have drugs needed for medical purposes during one of our wars. It worked out very well. Since this was such a success the U.S. branched out into other purposes for drugs, recreational.

U.S. backed marijuana farms became a great money making venture. There were a couple of farms that were as large as some of our states. Marijuana as far as the eye can see.

Many of the banks located in the U.S. were used to store the money the made from the drugs grown in Mexico. Some of the larger banks began to wash the money coming from Mexico. Some were caught and paid small fines but continued to wash the drug money and continue to do so today.

The drug money was sent to the U.S. because the drug lords could not trust the banks in Mexico. The money had a way of disappearing.

To give you an idea on the amount of money we are talking about, money was hauled in 18 wheelers from place to place. At one time a Mexican was caught at an airport in Miami on his way home to Mexico. He was stopped along with his 13 duffle bags. A search of the duffle bags found they were completely filled with cash, all 13. He was detained and the cash impounded. The Mexican asked to make one phone call. He was allowed to make the one call. Minutes later the authorities recieved a call from Washington D.C. and were advised to let the man board the plane and be on his way, along with the 13 bags of cash.

One other reason the U.S. does not help Mexico is if the drug trade stops there will not be a single bank left below a line drawn across the U.S. about along the line of Dallas Texas. Some small banks, in Texas especially, has annual deposits of at least 1000 times the combined assets of every single person and piece of property combined in the county they are located in.

Sorry, "Pancho", I already told you on another thread that I was done debating w/ you ,as you continue to defend iillegals, no matter what. You & I obviously differ on this, & I am done wasting time on someone who continues to defend people who refuse to follow the laws that the rest of us living in the USA have to follow. I guess that I will have to resort to the "ignore" function from now on.,as it is more than obvious that you & I are in opposition when it cones to people coming to the US illegally: You defend them, & I defend Americans.

No need to apologize. I didn't even know we were debating. I had to go back and see where you had even posted. Seems like you really never posted anything worthy of debating.
Also noticed your ancestors have only been in this country for a short while.
Mind if I ask who invited them to come to the U.S.
Most of mine were already here long before your home country was even recognized as a country.

I think the ignore button would be a good thing for you to keep a finger on.
You can sure give it a workout. Maybe you should carry one around in your pocket. You are a grown person and you are free to whip that sucker out and put anyone on ignore that you happen to disagree with.
Should come pretty handy in your case as I am sure there are many who you disagree with.

Please give that pocket ignore button a little thought. With proper care and use you should be able to stay uninformed for some time. Could keep you from actually learning anything for quite some time.