1 of every 12 babies born in 2008 had illegal immigrant parent

pancho · #21 08/11/10, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonRiver

No, the people of the US never chose any such thing. There are laws on the books regarding immigration and the majority of US citizens want the laws enforced. A country has the right to determine who can enter the country and who cannot.

Allowing Hispanics to come over the border in the hundreds of thousands is a racist act by the US. Why should other races be discriminated against? Maybe they could fly to Mexico and sneak across the border as well. We need a policy that does not favor anyone based on race or skin color, but makes the selection based on who is best for the US.

Like most Americans, I welcome immigrants that come through the front door. The ones that knock first.

The people of the U.S. chose many years ago to let the mexicans come over here to work. In many cases they encouraged them and in a few cases actually went down there and got them. Still happens today.

There has been immigration laws on the books for some time. They haven't been enforced. The people chose not to enforce them. They needed the workers and wanted the workers.

Every country has the right to choose who comes into their country. It just so happens that we chose to let the illegals come in and do the work.

There isn't anything racist about it. Looks like people would stop blaming race for every single thing they do not agree with. Many other races do come over the mexican border. A lot come over the canadian border as it is much easier and the likelyhood of getting caught is less.

The majority of illegals would like to have the chance of coming here legally. It just so happens that it takes longer than most of them live if they choose the front door. Not many reasons to try to do it legally if it takes all of your life. There is too much crooked deals done each day.
A mexican worker can try all of his life to come here legally and never get the chance. But another will be allowed to come in the next day. That is if he can pitch a real good fast ball.
Can you explain the differences in the time it takes for the normal mexican to come legally to the U.S. compared to the time it takes some sports player?

pancho · #22 08/11/10, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonya

I think we should give every illegal a blanket that was used by someone who had smallpox.

(Does that please everyone?!

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That worked quite well at one time.

lonelytree · #23 08/12/10, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pancho

The U.S. was built by taking the land and keeping it. I am not opposed to this. If I remember right a lot of the U.S. was taken from Mexico. If it was reversed and I was one of those who had land taken I would probably have a different opinion.

I don't know if there was an immigration policy or not. I imagine they never thought there was a need for one. When they decided there might be a need for one it was too late.
I agree that if there was one it wasn't enforced. Much like the immigration policy we have now. It hasn't been enforced since we decided we needed one.

I can see some support for the Arizona law but I don't know if it is anywhere near a majority.

I will agree that most of the people on this forum were born here as were their ancestors. What you seem to forget is that many illegals have been here several generations. They also have children born in this country but for some reason you do not think they should be citizens.

You may have respect for the constitution but you want to pick and choose what you want enforced. I think it is a case of taking everything it says or nothing.

I would be curious to see the percentages of illegals in prison compared to the percentages of crooked politicians in prison. Guess it might not be really fair as most of the politicians fail to get convicted and even when they are convicted they can get off by just resigning.

What am I picking and choosing?

Several generations.....when was the last time we did an amnesty?

http://www.cis.org/irca-amnesty

I don't buy the several generation bit.

ChristyACB · #24 08/12/10, 04:46 AM

What a coincidence! The news here at 0540 just said the same stat! Weird...

No more amnesty. We tried it before in my lifetime and just got MS13 growing like crazy and starting their own human smuggling ops. They didn't do what the -------s said, and are once again saying! Instead, they mostly stayed at the lowest levels of the workforce, didn't learn English and didn't assimilate. Some did, of course, but some illegals do too, but that is the minority rather than this big open love fest -------s keep spouting.

I'm sick of it. If this were Swedes with a back door line into the US and all of them popping out kids and living on welfare and starting little swede gangs and winding up as the majority of pics on the DEA most wanted lists for each and every state, no one would blink when we starting asking for proof of legal status for every person that got stopped with a Swedish accent. I do not care one whit where they come from. If I have to show my driver's license when I get stopped, let them show too. And if they are illegal they should have NO official papers from the US, including a license.

Lyra · #25 08/12/10, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

Unless you are a "pure" native American, some of your ancestors were born to immigrant parents too.

The difference is that our immigrant parents were law abiding citizens. Once again, our country is rewarding people for irresponsible behavior and popping out kids.

willow_girl · #26 08/12/10, 06:56 AM

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The difference is that our immigrant parents were law abiding citizens. Once again, our country is rewarding people for irresponsible behavior and popping out kids.

Is that so? My immigrant (Polish) grandfather deserted his wife and 7 kids, went elsewhere, changed his name, and married another woman (without first obtaining a divorce, which I believe would be a crime, bigamy).

Had welfare existed at the time (1920s) I'm sure my grandmother would have been on it.

I'm certainly not going to cast any stones!

#27 08/12/10, 07:15 AM

Weren't you just on another thread advocating multiple marriages?

wendle · #28 08/12/10, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by primroselane

I agree. But unfortunately neither Democrats or Republicans will secure our borders.

So it's about time something was done.
For those who are for illegals staying here, they can pay for them, and have them as neighbors. It isn't like the pioneer days any more when they got a piece of land and took care of themselves. Times have changed.
How do we know the indians were first? Which tribe was first?
http://www.essortment.com/all/whowerethefir_reof.htm
http://www.desertinvasion.us/articles/art2006aug16.html

willow_girl · #29 08/12/10, 07:22 AM

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Weren't you just on another thread advocating multiple marriages?

Sure. That doesn't mean it wasn't a crime under the law when my grandfather did it.

Would have been nice had he continued to support his children from the first marriage, too!

bowdonkey · #30 08/12/10, 07:59 AM

This is good news. A future supply of subsidized cheap labor for the USA. A tip of the bottle to future profits.

joseph97297 · #31 08/12/10, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristyACB

They didn't do what the -------s said,

Well, at least we have a new word to call ole Raygun, don't we. -------.....I like it, it fits him so nicely,

I agree amnesty is not the way to handle this, and if there is enough support, let them try and amend the Constitution, that is why those rules exist, but I don't think it would pass.

pancho · #32 08/12/10, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

Is that so? My immigrant (Polish) grandfather deserted his wife and 7 kids, went elsewhere, changed his name, and married another woman (without first obtaining a divorce, which I believe would be a crime, bigamy).

Had welfare existed at the time (1920s) I'm sure my grandmother would have been on it.

I'm certainly not going to cast any stones!

Willow, if a few of the people on here would really look back at their ancestors we would probably have a lot less whining and complaining.
Every family has members they would rather not hear about.

It seems kind of strange that a group of people can come to a country uninvited, take over killing and enslaving the original owners, then invite everyone they choose to come to their new country. They then insist they are here legally and can legally invite who they want and those they do not want can't come to their new country. Then they complain about other people just coming into that country to work.

big rockpile · #33 08/12/10, 09:53 AM

It just seems Bad to me that Citizens of a country has no Pride in their country and try to leave and their Goverment encourages them to leave.I think that something needs to be changed in said country.

But it souldn't be up to any other country to take care of their problems or be expected to Babysit their people and support their economy.

big rockpile

wendle · #34 08/12/10, 11:57 AM

I suspect illegal immigration could be the beginning of people from other countries taking over the US. When they become the majority we will no longer be the United States. Looking at the amount of illegals, and children from them born here, it isn't all that far away. We are paying them with our tax money to take over this country. Sad thing is many people including the president are good with that.

wendle · #35 08/12/10, 12:19 PM

pancho · #36 08/12/10, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wendle

I suspect illegal immigration could be the beginning of people from other countries taking over the US. When they become the majority we will no longer be the United States. Looking at the amount of illegals, and children from them born here, it isn't all that far away. We are paying them with our tax money to take over this country. Sad thing is many people including the president are good with that.

If you will look at the birth rate data you will find the illegals do have a higher birth rate than american citizens. The U.S. can not depended on the citizens to keep the population the same as it is now. If we depended on them our population would be decreasing every year.

There is another group of people that have the highest birth rate of any in the world. They are in the U.S. now along with many other countries. They make the illegals look like a bunch of sunday school teachers.

Take a little time and do some research and you will see what is ahead for the U.S. Several other countries are in the same shape as we are.

Gercarson · #37 08/12/10, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

Willow, if a few of the people on here would really look back at their ancestors we would probably have a lot less whining and complaining.
Every family has members they would rather not hear about.

It seems kind of strange that a group of people can come to a country uninvited, take over killing and enslaving the original owners, then invite everyone they choose to come to their new country. They then insist they are here legally and can legally invite who they want and those they do not want can't come to their new country. Then they complain about other people just coming into that country to work.

Many - and it seems most - who come here, do not come to America. What they are doing is moving from a country that they have screwed up badly and are bringing that same mind-set here, trashing us also. Why does it seem "strange" that the "new" country has established itself to the degree that it has the best constitution in the world - has become the most desirable place to be and has created laws that govern them? It would seem strange if they did not. What seems extremely "strange" is that even after - what 600 years - we still get the old "came uninvited" carp that leeches use to try to intimidate the producers into cowtowing to their way of life and not standing up for the hard fought and hard won laws that NOW govern them. What seems strange is that the word "enslaving" keeps coming up as a cudgel that is used to take from those who have and give to the illegals who don't give a whit about coming to a country "uninvited". Those that want to come into that country to work know the laws and should abide by them OR face the consequences of the laws of that country that was wrested from "the natives". Take a good look at what the Spanish did to South America - or whatever it was BEFORE they came and "stole" the country from the "natives".

wendle · #38 08/12/10, 02:22 PM

If we all believed the American Indian was the first group of people in America and we took the land from them, does that mean we should freely hand it to the next group that wants it. Should we , out of remorse from what our forefathers did give the United States to those who decide to just walk across our borders and take what they want? Or should we fight for what is now our country and our freedom?

Txrider · #39 08/12/10, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

Unless you are a "pure" native American, some of your ancestors were born to immigrant parents too. Should we kick out all the descendants of those original Mayflower families who came to a foreign country without citizenship? We need to watch our nation's attitude about racism because the large majority of us are not American Indians.

Umm, even native Americans immigrated here from Asia, and so are descendants of immigrants....

The human species is not native to north America.. Immigrants from Asia just got here first.

Txrider · #40 08/12/10, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

If you will look at the birth rate data you will find the illegals do have a higher birth rate than american citizens. The U.S. can not depended on the citizens to keep the population the same as it is now. If we depended on them our population would be decreasing every year.

There is another group of people that have the highest birth rate of any in the world. They are in the U.S. now along with many other countries. They make the illegals look like a bunch of sunday school teachers.

Take a little time and do some research and you will see what is ahead for the U.S. Several other countries are in the same shape as we are.

Yup sad fact is we need population growth in order to feed out social welfare programs, if the population paying for those social welfare services does not increase always, the ponzi scheme fails and goes bankrupt.

This why Europe has so much immigration now, as their birth rates have also declined, and they must import immigrants to stave off collapse of their social welfare systems, and they are already much worse off than us.

Given a choice, the immigrants from South of the border in Mexico and South America seems much more in tune with our social values than the people from Africa and the middle east flowing into Europe by the millions do with European's social values.