Are young people getting dumder or lazier?

Ok, let me say first, I am NOT NOT NOT flaming you.....I have questions.

A) The non-Americans you speak of, tell me their skin color and their predominate religion......

B) They receive grants, a lot of grants, to go to college in AMERICA....they are getting a very expensive college education in AMERICA, for little or free so that their mere presence brings 'diversity' on the campus??

Diversity? Does this mean so that non-American humans can be around American humans and some how this makes the non American humans better, how?? It makes the American humans better how???

And what 'educational' experience is brought by walking by a non-American student going to college for free or super cheap, when I am paying out the nose?? When I am going 5 miles into debt only to face an America that is a little short on new hires?

You know what that really does?
It breeds contempt.
"That "so in so fill in the blank ugly word" goes to school for free because of "the color of his skin-foreign nation-jihadist- blank it tee blank"........
I hate him/her."
It breeds contempt....

Worst case senario? They go to school free here. Run up debt to the moon. Then skip out and go back to their own country, leaving the creditors to hold the bag.
And we allowed it because we want to be "so tolerant and diverse"

Best case? They stay here, take a job from another college graduate that is sitting on a mountain of student loans they can't pay, yet they have NO DEBT because they school was all but free.....and now they have the job because companies are trying to meet 'quotas'.

LET ME BE CLEAR, ANY discrimination is bad. Any way Any shape Any form.
Give a man or woman an honest shake.
Period.


Ok,
This is what I see......show me if I am wrong, and how, please!!

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That was a verah, verah good post Patty! It was so right on the money - our public schools are the very reason our youth are stupid and lazy - they have been indoctrinated and socially engineered to be that way.
Congratulations to the long march through the institutions they now have them all.

A couple years ago in Texas, a foreign born (legal or not) student only had to complete their senior year of high school in the US in order to qualify for a ton of financial aid from colleges. UT has a huge rep for encouraging "progressive" opportunities for students. I wouldn't be surprised if those policies are still going on.

hmm lets see so far we have seen the foreigners blamed (of course they tend to have higher grade point averages) .
we have seen public schools blamed (of course the conservative have cut school funding every chance they have gotten)
We have seen parents being blamed (this is somewhat true some parents take no time in teaching their children , other take time teaching them false hoods )
Hmm since the 70s we have seen a massive increase in home schooling maybe thats part of the problem

personally I blame all the so called psycho theropists that give excuses instead of teaching kids , parents are complicit in that , If little johnny is acting up he must have ADD or ADHD, or depression and needs to be in the "special class" where instead of learning he colors all day . Everyone wants an excuse for why their little angel isnt getting the work done but very few would ever admit its because the kid is lazy

Heard on the news there are some schools putting kids on the honor roll just for trying. Honor roll for effort.
I agree all children should be encouraged but putting them on the honor roll just for showing up for class no matter what their grade is might be another reason young people are getting dumber.
Why do the work if you can recieve the same rewards just for showing up.

Then next will be honor roll b/c you only hit the teacher once that semester.

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I agree with your last statement that the parents are complacent and would rather sedate their kids than raise 'em.
But then that's blaming.
Blame the parents for being lazy.
Blame the kid for being bad.
Blame the school for suggesting drugs.
Blame the internet for having so much information.
Blame the doc for prescribing the drugs.
Blame the drug co. that is in the docs hip pocket.
Blame the government for forcing the drug co. to make these drugs so they can rule like Hitler over us because we are TOO STUPID AND BRAIN WASHED AND LAZY AND CHEMICALLY ALTERED to see what is really happening.

Yep, you are totally right!

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The reality is that we are getting dumber. I know everyone thinks that humans are above the laws of genetics, but we are not.

The reality is that it does not take much intelligence to reproduce, as the worms can do it quite well. It takes more intelligence to avoid reproducing. Now, the less intelligent are reproducing more than the intelligent, and we support them in doing so.

In nature, if you reproduce, but are incapable of supporting your offspring, they will die and any weaknesses will be eradicated.

In our modern world, those people who reproduce, but cannot support their children, are aided by the state and others. The laws of genetics and statistics dictate that any weaknesses which led to such need, will be propagated. More and more support of the population will be needed, until we reach the point of bankruptcy, and then things will return to nature, where fighting, strength and intelligence will determine who survives. Then the species will again progress.

No different than how good cattle producers cull any weaknesses to avoid having to provide extra care for their animals to allow them to survive.

Currrently, many will say there should be no limit on reproduction, and that it is God's will to have as many as possible. To say otherwise gets you labeled as a child-hater.

I have a niece who had 4 illegitimate babies from different fathers, who is supported by her "loving" grandparents and the state. I would say after the first one, any aid should be given only after sterilization, but of course, I am not a nice guy. Nice guys just let more and more children be born into crappy situations.

Excellent post DJ.

I have thought the same thing for some time now. It is just genetics. With any animal you can control the results of any breeding program. We are part of a controlled breeding experiment. Most controlled breeding experiments are used to improve the animal being bred. We are doing the opposite.

Wonder if this could be an attempt to divide the human race into two groups?
The ruling class and the slaves. That could be the end results of such controlled breeding.

Done told it like it IS!!!
Give that man an EBT card ... with NO restrictions!!!
DJ in WA - you're my new hero - post of the month!!!

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He took the SAT in June and scored 800 out of 800 on the Math.

It is still possible, and it does happen!

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sems tha spellin poolice is alwaays duing der beet! letin notin slide

I do have to say both! and its not just dumb as in book learning and memorized fact and formulas but they have no common sense and what they do manage to learn they have no way to apply it. I find that even with the college crowd.

Awesome job! Kudos to your son!!

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Pancho, I agree with what DJ posted, and basically with what you posted too. But I don't think westerners are part of a controlled breeding experiment and I don't quite understand why you said that. What would be the purpose of dividing the human race into two groups where you have a small group of intelligent people and a much larger group of ignorant people who will outnumber and starve out the intelligent people?

I don't think there's any plan to create slaves. I think there's a loss of control and discretion on the parts of the citizens. I think it's a matter of sheer carelessness, thoughtlessness and lack of control in good breeding practices that has gotten out of hand. No discretion as to choices of partners and no discretion or good sense exercised about how many babies to have. In days gone by, intelligent parents used to try to exercise more guidance and choice over who their own children would marry, sometimes even arranging marriages for them. They tried to help their marriageable children form sensible and prosperous marriages of their own with intelligent partners.

That doesn't happen anymore. There are too many parents who don't provide much guidance now over who their kids marry (or not marry as the case may be) and they don't provide guidance regarding how many children to produce and how to provide for them and educate them.

Now after several decades you have a lot of poor and dumbed down, superstitious sub-standard people who can't really afford to have children are pumping out the babies by the quiver full and the babies they're producing are even less intelligent than the parents. And they're sick and fat and unhealthy. And they're all sucking off the government tit

People need to strive for quality, intelligence and prosperity in breeding, not quantity, ignorance and poverty. Quantity will just produce more unintelligent and starving masses until the country ends up as just another 3rd world country. Going backwards instead of forward.

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I will not disagree with you on most points Dj, in fact I believe in survival of the fit! but some of what your leaving out is it is not only the ones receiving aid that benefit it is also those that appear not to. by that I mean when big corporations get a "go ahead and do what you want" card and politicians that push BS laws through that benefit those that need no benefit they already have it made or super small segments of society. every time something like that happens you need to grease the wheels a little. and it is the working class and no not all the working class are smart or intelligent. they depend on us falling on our sword and just accepting it. religious belief,humanitarian belief call it what you will.

I'm against forced sterilization, but there are allot of people that can not have a baby but can support one I say adoption (not a fan of foster care) if they are old enough to be paid off offer to buy the sterilization. I could live with that.
think it cheaper in the long run.

my personal belief is you can be either smart or stupid, intelligent or ignorant
you can be one from the first group and one from the second. and much like looking for the perfect mate there are very few that will posses the best of the best out of those two groups.

I will also concur on the breeding experiment, seems like a lot of strange stuff after world war 2, but I never thought of it in those terms.

I always seen all the government help as a trap,
someone on here once gave the example of a pig trap. the pigs are wary so you start placing food, after they are comfortable you build the trap and continue with the food, once they are comfortable with the trap and its full you shut the gate. not quite as was originally stated but you should get the gist.

First of all, white guy here to say opportunity's out there: I did poorly on the SAT and ACT so I have gone to a community college the past several years, made the honors society, and have now applied to a four year institution and earned in state tuition and potentially a scholarship from the honors society and a generic GPA scholarship, although since the school is farm oriented and I live in the suburbs, may not get the latter two. Also earned a scholarship at the community college for a story I wrote, and that paid for books.

But...I think we depend on college education too much now. People have told me a BA is just a test of commitment, and I often hear of individuals getting work in fields totally unrelated to their majors. Why can't somebody just go to work directly? Sure classroom education has its place, but I think we need to practice more of a mix of on-the-job and classroom. For instance, my major, construction management, is relatively new since a person would start as a worker or apprentice and move up, and now those guys stay put or earn a degree, when some of the mathematics and engineering etc, would be better taught on the job.

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Interesting take on things! I will say that college is not so much a commitment as indoctrination one continued from lower school.

you can just go to work and make a career but its tough! at least how things are perceived and set up in the current environment. 50-60 years ago many scoffed at a college education. they wanted a person with experience or at the least a desire and capacity to do the job. many still want someone experienced even with college. I will share here and now though I am sure many already figured out I never attended college and in fact I dropped out of HS for various reasons. I will also share I blew many of my teachers away and no not the way they do it now, many where very impressed with me,Grade Jr and what I did in Hs and then adult ed when I decide to get my degree.
I have done a number of jobs and was always one of the most valuable in all of them. I worked with people who choose the same road I did and those of higher learning though as you point out not their chosen field. also please see my comment in the previous post, about the one of four qualities from the two groups. I will also point out I was usually always in charge. why because I got it done and properly! I will point out that many of the college "Kids" where still wet behind the ears but I did work with some who had been in the market almost as long as myself that always tried to ride the degree! its not always what you know its how you perform!

I really like your thought process, how many people decide this is what I want to do with my life and devote 2,4,6,8,12 years of learning plus all the money into it just to not have a opportunity to perform it or decide no that's not what I do want to do.

though I suppose after a year or two of class you could maybe or should have figured it out. but school and real life have never really seemed to correspond? kinda like how our government is out of touch with the populace or in other words detached from reality!

I don't see why you cant bounce jobs until you find your calling then go from there on schooling really it just makes sense, you could still change your mind but it would be better then a blind investment!